Recent South Park Episode Draws Controversy

[Unknown Entity]

It's good that the kid took himself out of the gene pool before he got a chance to pass his genes or vote.

...Seriously? You're actually saying that? Really, honest to God seriously?

That was my reaction too. I thought that comment was downright out of order. Not everyone is built from the same stone as the stronger people in the human race - especially not an 11 year old kid who is being bullied for being who he is.

If your children are brought up on your morals, I hope to **** the mother has some sense and jumps in there before you - it'll probably save a child from bullying. ¬¬;

I could have been really out of order there and mentioned something about your gene pool dis-continuing. Damn.

[Sasquatch]

Alright, to be fair, what I said (well, typed) was probably a little insensitive. Shucks.

Normally, I wouldn't really interject this much, what you just said here gives me a whole nother opinon of you.

You would, and it doesn't. C'mon, be honest.

Sasquatch, dude, the kid is 11, he's a freaking child for God's sake! What you just said about him was really low, I kinda throught you were so what more above this shit.

He committed suicide because he was getting made fun of at school. Would you be defending him as much if he did it because of harassment over his religion, hair color, height, etc.?

Suicude is wrong, but that and I think even others would agree with me that making fun of someone, let alone a child, an 11 year old child is really low. What if that was your child? Or if you had a little brother? Would you still feel the same way?

Sure, making fun of anybody is wrong. But it happens. Especially with children. For any and every conceivable reason. The rest of us just deal with it.

Yeah I agree with you..on this, but if you haven't noticed in today's society you aren't getting killed in foriegn nations because your fat or your height, take Iraq for example, if they even see a same sex couple just kissing they are stoned to DEATH.

And how many times have you been to Iraq? Obviously you don't know enough to recognize the term "man-love Thursday".

But once again -- whine about some injustices, but ignore others. It's either all or none, kid. If you want to talk about Islamic culture's treatment of homosexuals, also (at least) mention their (even worse) treatment of Jews, Christians, and women.

Even if that 11 year old boy wasn't gay, and this happens, you would still get picked on by haters, and in today's generation, you would be called "gay", "fag", or queer" every day, and that regard it wouldn't be used as a "gay equals loser term, it will mean what it was before.

"It will mean what it was before" ... you mean happy?

1.) GLAAD is a assiocation for the LGBT community, why would they want to respond to S.P's mockery of Christianity? Especially when some people in the world and some church's like the mormon church have hated on the LGBT community since the dawn of time?

First, because South Park mocks everything, and if they weren't hypocrites, they'd be pissed about everything being mocked. And second, how exactly has the "mormon church [sic]" "hated on the LGBT community since the dawn of time" when the "mormon church [sic]" has only existed for a couple hundred years?

2.) I think South Park is an awesome show, as I stated in a pervous post, its funny, and we all get used it doing this, but I believe in some cases, they may go to far with their "interepations" on some matters such as Gays, Chrisitianity, Race, God, etc and that like a political flamethrower must end up starting controversy and protests.

Then where are your posts bitching about their "interepations [sic]" of Christianity, race, God, etc.?

Trivial? A 11 year old little boy ( a child ) commiting suicide is trivial to you RagnaToad?

Where is your outrage over abortions, or Muslim wishes to slaughter all Jews and wipe out Israel, or Christians in many African and Asian countries being tortured and murdered? Why do you only care about bad things when they happen to homosexuals? Why do you flat-out ignore (you know, pass off as "trivial") bad things when they happen to any other group of people -- or when they're done by homosexuals?

Half if not all of Gay youth in Amercia, no everywhere in the world have or had a rough life.

Says who -- you? GLAAD? "Pink News"? Because nobody else is ever made fun of, right? No, keep trying to label martyrs because they're for your cause but ignoring those of other causes.

Getting called a gay slur on a daily basis, getting harassed, getting beat up is the everyday life of a gay young man or woman in society today ...

Really? Getting beat up is part of everyday life for homosexuals?

but it has nothing to do with South Park, let alone that particular episode.


In fact it does, its an example as how people in this world use the "f" word, and the ongoing gay hate discrimination.

The episode took it in the complete opposite direction -- not using "fag" as a "slur" at all. It wasn't a reference to homosexuals, or to "gay hate discrimination".

Gay discrimination is still a heated issue here and that episode of S.P I'm assuming is not helping the sitution, and apparently GLADD did see a ripple in this episode compared to the others.

Because this episode included the word "fag". GLAAD didn't care when they made fun of every other group.

Not everyone is built from the same stone as the stronger people in the human race - especially not an 11 year old kid who is being bullied for being who he is.

Every 11-year-old is bullied for who he is. Most don't commit suicide over it.

If somebody made a car that blew up when the gas pedal was pushed, would you just say, "Well not all cars are built at the same factory"?

I could have been really out of order there and mentioned something about your gene pool dis-continuing. Damn.

And you would have had every right to. See, in America, we can say things that others might not agree with -- even things that offend others. Like advocating Social Darwinism or soft eugenics, or the word "fag".

[nix]

This thread is a perfect example of why everybody should smoke weed ;P

[Pete]

Sasquatch is really so right that it hurts right now. I'm looking at this pinknews site, and it's a lot of playing the victim, and taking things to the extreme. How many other groups get so upset over such things to such an extent? What about terrorism? I didn't see a single article on pinknews about the Ft. Hood massacre. But there are numerous stories on Carrie Prejean, the anti-gay Miss California, and how she sued for her tit job.

Search Results No results for the goddamn Ft. Hood shooter. I'm sure if he was gay, or killed a gay person, it'd be a different story.

Search Results At least 2 pages worth of stories. American soldiers dying at the hands of another vs some chick I've never heard of until last week.

Every group has complained or commented about South Park at one point or another.

I would once again like to point out that the word fag does not belong to homosexuals. It was originally about sticks, and the men who picked them up. If you keep saying stuff like hey, you can't say fags, cause that implies homosexuals ("that's our word!"), then that's pretty much the same as just admitting that you're fags. It's just like the word nigger; if black people keep saying that it's "their" word, that's the same thing as saying "we're allowing ourselves to be called that, so long as we're the ones doing it." It's just stupidity and hypocrisy.

And lastly, yes it's a shame that kid died, but once again, it's a right of passage to get mocked and picked on as a kid. It happens to everyone for every type or reason. Shit, we even made fun of the rich kids who had every video game system, just as much as the kid who ate a marker in first grade. None of them killed themselves, they just dealt with it and dealt shit back. I was short and fat as a kid, I got tons of shit from everyone. I'm still here.

[Unknown Entity]

Every 11-year-old is bullied for who he is. Most don't commit suicide over it.

If somebody made a car that blew up when the gas pedal was pushed, would you just say, "Well not all cars are built at the same factory"?

And you would have had every right to. See, in America, we can say things that others might not agree with -- even things that offend others. Like advocating Social Darwinism or soft eugenics, or the word "fag".

Most 11 year olds don't even know their sexual orientation at the age of 11. Most 11 year olds don't even understand what being gay is. I remember being that age and ewwwing at the word sex or gay or whatever. What if this kid wasn't being bullied before he came out?

As for the suicide thing... bullying effects everyone in different ways. I've known people turning to alcohol and drugs because of their experiences. Some people can take it like a knock on the chin, and others can take it harder.

The kids that bullied me weren't being bullied either, so you're wrong about "Every 11 year-old is bullied." They were spoiled kids who came from richer families, and picked on me because I was a tomboy/because my reading level was the highest in the class/because I was a girl who played football/because I didn't own a playstation.

Now they're failing at college, and I'm going in for game development. Woot for me. >>;

And how about the people who are still being the bully/ bullied when they're 35+? It's not just a right of passage for kids at school.

Also, cars don't have such an extensive gene pool. >>;;

[Jin]

I love how this thread has nothing to do with South Park anymore.

I also love how "you complain about injustices against X, but not against Y and therefore your complaint about X is invalid" is being put forward as a legitimate argument in this thread.

Only on the internet. Or in parliament.

[Alpha]

do they want the government to ban words George Orwell 1984 style?

That is a doubleplusgood idea!

i do not like the idea that i cannot publish a book, show or movie if it has certain words or themes. the question i have for gays is do you like freedom or not.

If your theme happened to be about hunting black people for sport, and a publisher had reservations about publishing it, I'd say we would live in a better society. While it's entirely possible that the gay community has overreacted to this controversy, it's a little unfair to say so unless you yourself are affected by it. I don't want mass-censorship '1984-style', but there is a line that is occasionally crossed.

[Sasquatch]

Most 11 year olds don't even know their sexual orientation at the age of 11. Most 11 year olds don't even understand what being gay is. I remember being that age and ewwwing at the word sex or gay or whatever. What if this kid wasn't being bullied before he came out?

Did the kid even "come out"? All it says in the article is that he was bullied. Did the kid even think he was gay? Did the bullies? Or did they just see a weak kid that was an easy target?

As for the suicide thing... bullying effects everyone in different ways. I've known people turning to alcohol and drugs because of their experiences.

You've seen people turn to drugs and alcohol because they got bullied? You serious?

The kids that bullied me weren't being bullied either, so you're wrong about "Every 11 year-old is bullied." They were spoiled kids who came from richer families ...

And you know for certain that they never got bullied, and never picked on each other?

... and picked on me because I was a tomboy/because my reading level was the highest in the class/because I was a girl who played football/because I didn't own a playstation.

And you didn't kill yourself, did you? All that bullying, and you turned out alright.

And how about the people who are still being the bully/ bullied when they're 35+? It's not just a right of passage for kids at school.

No, it's not just kids at school, it's everybody. Everybody, throughout their entire life, will be picked on for something. It's just more common for children because as most of us get older, we gain maturity and stop bullying.

Also, cars don't have such an extensive gene pool. >>;;

Neither did the kid. But you're saying that you would prefer that, if a car existed that blew up whenever the accelerator pedal was pushed, you would want that company to make more cars with the same problem?

I also love how "you complain about injustices against X, but not against Y and therefore your complaint about X is invalid" is being put forward as a legitimate argument in this thread.

A complaint about X but ignoring A-W, Y, and Z shows extreme hypocrisy and self-centeredness, and does indeed invalidate arguments against X. If one doesn't like injustice, they don't like injustices A-Z, not just the one that they think affects them.

If your theme happened to be about hunting black people for sport, and a publisher had reservations about publishing it, I'd say we would live in a better society.

I'd agree with that. But if the publisher did go through with it, one could boycott that publisher. The publisher shouldn't, but that doesn't mean he shouldn't be allowed to.

But if that publisher has published books for more than a decade about hunting, torturing, or raping all different groups of people, and one finally decided to stand up and say, "That's wrong!" at their most recent book concerning hunting black people, without complaining in the last decade about the books describing the same things with other groups of people, it would show their hypocrisy.

[Phantom]

Alright, to be fair, what I said (well, typed) was probably a little insensitive. Shucks.

You would, and it doesn't. C'mon, be honest.

He committed suicide because he was getting made fun of at school. Would you be defending him as much if he did it because of harassment over his religion, hair color, height, etc.?

Sure, making fun of anybody is wrong. But it happens. Especially with children. For any and every conceivable reason. The rest of us just deal with it.

And how many times have you been to Iraq? Obviously you don't know enough to recognize the term "man-love Thursday".

But once again -- whine about some injustices, but ignore others. It's either all or none, kid. If you want to talk about Islamic culture's treatment of homosexuals, also (at least) mention their (even worse) treatment of Jews, Christians, and women.

"It will mean what it was before" ... you mean happy?

First, because South Park mocks everything, and if they weren't hypocrites, they'd be pissed about everything being mocked. And second, how exactly has the "mormon church [sic]" "hated on the LGBT community since the dawn of time" when the "mormon church [sic]" has only existed for a couple hundred years?

Then where are your posts bitching about their "interepations [sic]" of Christianity, race, God, etc.?

Where is your outrage over abortions, or Muslim wishes to slaughter all Jews and wipe out Israel, or Christians in many African and Asian countries being tortured and murdered? Why do you only care about bad things when they happen to homosexuals? Why do you flat-out ignore (you know, pass off as "trivial") bad things when they happen to any other group of people -- or when they're done by homosexuals?

Says who -- you? GLAAD? "Pink News"? Because nobody else is ever made fun of, right? No, keep trying to label martyrs because they're for your cause but ignoring those of other causes.

Really? Getting beat up is part of everyday life for homosexuals?

The episode took it in the complete opposite direction -- not using "fag" as a "slur" at all. It wasn't a reference to homosexuals, or to "gay hate discrimination".

Because this episode included the word "fag". GLAAD didn't care when they made fun of every other group.

Every 11-year-old is bullied for who he is. Most don't commit suicide over it.

If somebody made a car that blew up when the gas pedal was pushed, would you just say, "Well not all cars are built at the same factory"?

And you would have had every right to. See, in America, we can say things that others might not agree with -- even things that offend others. Like advocating Social Darwinism or soft eugenics, or the word "fag".

He committed suicide because he was getting made fun of at school. Would you be defending him as much if he did it because of harassment over his religion, hair color, height, etc.?


I would, he shouldn't be harassed for being this religion, or being gay or whatever, but I know I wouldn't want that to happen to me, and it has, and even if I wasn't I still would stand up for him.

Sure, making fun of anybody is wrong. But it happens. Especially with children. For any and every conceivable reason. The rest of us just deal with it.


Yeah (most of us) just "deal with it", but for a child 9-11 years old, how are they supposed to "deal with it"?


And how many times have you been to Iraq? Obviously you don't know enough to recognize the term "man-love Thursday".



No I haven't been to Iraq, but I do have a gay pinpal that lives there. Also, you've probarly been to Iraq, have you ever visited the "Iraq Gayborhood"? Or even in a gay nighclub in Iraq? I doubt soldiers would unless it were to shut it down lol.

But once again -- whine about some injustices, but ignore others. It's either all or none, kid. If you want to talk about Islamic culture's treatment of homosexuals, also (at least) mention their (even worse) treatment of Jews, Christians, and women.



Why do you instead on calling me "kid"? Your only three years older then me, get over yourself.

I worry and pray about all the issues facing Iraq, you don't really know me in person, only by a forum on the internet. However homosexual treatment appeals to me because I'm a homosexual man, so of course I put that first, but I do care about others Sasquatch, that is not what is topic is about.


"It will mean what it was before" ... you mean happy?



You know what the meaning is.

First, because South Park mocks everything, and if they weren't hypocrites, they'd be pissed about everything being mocked. And second, how exactly has the "mormon church [sic]" "hated on the LGBT community since the dawn of time" when the "mormon church [sic]" has only existed for a couple hundred years?


If you really read what I posted, you would see that I mentioned the Mormon Church as an example.


Then where are your posts bitching about their "interepations [sic]" of Christianity, race, God, etc.?



Look mate, I just saw this newspost posted online mentioning that episode that aired the other night that I saw, so I decided to post it on here and discuss the episode, not my view of their show or their "interepations", so get off my back.


Where is your outrage over abortions, or Muslim wishes to slaughter all Jews and wipe out Israel, or Christians in many African and Asian countries being tortured and murdered? Why do you only care about bad things when they happen to homosexuals? Why do you flat-out ignore (you know, pass off as "trivial") bad things when they happen to any other group of people -- or when they're done by homosexuals?




My answer to the first part of your questions is listed above.

Why do you only care about bad things when they happen to homosexuals?

Wow, just wow. Here to start?

1.) I'm homosexual
2. ) I can relate because we all have the same experiences.
3.) We most or all got harassed or beaten, or "disowned" by our familes for being "queer".
4.) A Homosexual issue especially for us gay guys can get us into trouble with those who disapprove of our "lifestyle" therefore proceed to think we as gay men are weak little p****** and can't defend ourselves.

5.) Us gays can't get marriages in most states unlike heterosexual couples can. To be treated as equal in the eyes of God, and The Government, and not to be called out or discriminated at work for being gay. Thats the only thing we want and nothing more.

So yeah those in a nutshell is why I care about them because I'm one. And dont get me wrong, I care for all people, I wish women in Iraq and in Amercia can be treated equally especially in the workplace, as well as those of a religious faith and the issues they face. We all want equality, that's one thing that in a way ties us together as a whole. Sure we may have different beliefs and opinons but we still respect each other.

Why do you flat-out ignore (you know, pass off as "trivial") bad things when they happen to any other group of people -- or when they're done by homosexuals?


All of this is answered above mate. Also I don't treat anything or anyone as "trivial" like you, unlike you I wouldn't treat a 11 year old little boy like another weak mortal who can't just suck it up. Nothing is trivial to me, dont just judge me based on this, if we could meet in real life you would see what I mean. Who knows we might even be able to have a intellectual discussion.


Says who -- you? GLAAD? "Pink News"? Because nobody else is ever made fun of, right? No, keep trying to label martyrs because they're for your cause but ignoring those of other causes.



Why do you keep on insisting that I'm "passing off" other issues? Why? Because I don't talk about them? Or I don't make a thread about them? Sasquatch search the achieves on this forum and I bet you won't see not one thread about something like this or about the discrimination of gays, but in this forum, Religion, Women, Muslims, Jews are all defended and discussed.


Can you really blame me for doing something out of the "norm"? Religious threads as well as threads about women are discussed on the forum almost if not everyday, but what about the gays? I want to at least say something or discuss something about homosexuals in the world, that's something that can also bring the forum together as well.

Really? Getting beat up is part of everyday life for homosexuals?



It was for me, and I'm sure it was for others as well.


The episode took it in the complete opposite direction -- not using "fag" as a "slur" at all. It wasn't a reference to homosexuals, or to "gay hate discrimination".


Take that up with GLAAD not me dude. As I stated in my very first post in this topic, I love the show, I'd still watch it regardless, I'm just reporting what I read that is all.


Because this episode included the word "fag". GLAAD didn't care when they made fun of every other group.



Once again, take that up with GLAAD, not me.

Every 11-year-old is bullied for who he is. Most don't commit suicide over it.


Once again, this also shows how insensitive you are man. I agree with you that most 11 year old kids dont commit suicide of this, but did you ever come to ask yourself: Maybe he was suffering with internal emotional issues of his own? Maybe he gets abused at home? Did you think about that dude?


If somebody made a car that blew up when the gas pedal was pushed, would you just say, "Well not all cars are built at the same factory"?


Not all cars are built the same, same with human beings as I recall.

And you would have had every right to. See, in America, we can say things that others might not agree with -- even things that offend others. Like advocating Social Darwinism or soft eugenics, or the word "fag".

True that, America is the "home of the free", the "Place on which equality for all men was made".
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@ Pete:

And lastly, yes it's a shame that kid died, but once again, it's a right of passage to get mocked and picked on as a kid. It happens to everyone for every type or reason. Shit, we even made fun of the rich kids who had every video game system, just as much as the kid who ate a marker in first grade. None of them killed themselves, they just dealt with it and dealt shit back. I was short and fat as a kid, I got tons of shit from everyone. I'm still here.

Maybe this one little boy was different from the rest? He was 11 dude, not 16 or 17, 11. As I mentioned above:


Maybe he was suffering with internal emotional issues of his own? Maybe he gets abused at home? You have to ask yourself these questions. And Sasquatch and you are right not all 11 year olds commit suicide, but something must have really pushed him to that point, he's 11, something more had to be wrong with him.


Sorry, please let's stay on topic.

[chrono]

That is a doubleplusgood idea!



If your theme happened to be about hunting black people for sport, and a publisher had reservations about publishing it, I'd say we would live in a better society. While it's entirely possible that the gay community has overreacted to this controversy, it's a little unfair to say so unless you yourself are affected by it. I don't want mass-censorship '1984-style', but there is a line that is occasionally crossed.

you my friend make a great point. would i buy that book.. no. would i be for the book...no. would i make it against the law to publish such a book...no.

[OnOneRyder]

It was my gay roommate that pointed me towards this lasted episode. He found it hilarious and even joked by saying "we should keep the word fag just for labeling true fags."

Southpark being ragged on is nothing new and hopefully it continues until the creators move onto something new. It's not senseless bashing, it has deeper meanings to it and if you can sit down for 22 minutes and watch it without immediately being offended because a word is said that sparks a response in your brain telling you it's wrong...you'll actually see more to it. Sadly these people cannot do that, they are looking for something to complain about just to keep this crap going. It's as bad as the gay pride parade. You can practice whatever kind of sexuality you like, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone or include children...but why do you need to parade down the street to flaunt it? Ok you've overcame something, congratulations...move the **** on. Anyone support my idea for a white pride parade?

[RagnaToad]

I'm sorry but those who see 11 year old children commiting suicide as "trivial" is not awesome in my book, they are douches.

It's sad that I have to convince you of the fact that I don't find a kid's suicide meaningless. Last time I checked, this thread wasn't about suicide.

I refused to say that it is a serious matter, because it is so ridiculously obvious that it is a serious matter. But that doesn't mean I can't call it 'trivial' or 'irrelevant'.

I just thought the story of that boy had not much to do with the actual topic of this thread, being a South Park episode.

I refuse to believe you think that shows like South Park make the life of gay people harder than it already is sometimes, so I'm not going on about that anymore.

This thread has lost its appeal to me.

[Govinda]

Anyone support my idea for a white pride parade?

No, because white men were the first to get the vote, and it's never been illegal to be white. Blacks, women and gays have all been variously subjugated and repressed by straight/white males (and blacks repressed by some women too, not about to deny that).

So that's why we get marches and you don't. We have we ever held YOU down?

[OceanEyes28]

Hahaha white pride parade what the ****. I agree with Govinda like I usually do, even though she's not even talking about South Park anymore (she's not alone). Also, the gay rights group didn't get involved with South Park making fun of other groups because they're a gay rights group not a "let's crusade for everyone because we have that kind of time" group. Neither is Christianity.

And also thread closed.