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    Quote Originally Posted by RagnaToad View Post
    All of the examples I mentioned are relevant.

    1. It's not because of the fact that the difference between one side of a coin and the other side cannot be 1.000.000.000 that it is impossible to force a coin into falling on a certain side more likely than on the other side... I was just exaggerating. Obviously, you missed the point I was making. You're saying I would be right if a coind like that existed, but then where do you draw the line? It CAn affect the coin when it's 2 times heavier, but it can't when it's 1% heavier?
    Like I said show me a coin that is 2 time heavier on one side let alone 1,000,000,000 times. If you take the simple logic that you are using then you also have to think that you are also adding weight that could increase the chances that it will land on its side. The odds are you are FLIPPING A COIN not just sitting it on it's side, so the odds are not so much on the weight but on the facings. It is simple enough.

    2. You seem to think there's a major difference between flipping a coin and (whatever) "flipping" a toast. What is the difference? A coin is smaller and most of the time round?
    Umm yeah there is a difference. There are about 1000 differences. Here is one, one is soft and pliable while the other is rigid and hard. Here is another one, toast is more likely to bend and fold then a coin. Are you getting a point in the difference yet or should I go on? Square Vs Circle? Wheat Vs metal alloy? Crust Vs no crust? (ok those last 2 where a joke)

    3. An object will by definition fall on its heavier side more likely, no?
    Once again it depends on the scenario, this is a very undefined one at that. In a controlled situation yes it happens most of the time, but when flipping a coin there is NO contol. None, nota, nein, zilch. And that is the point you are missing here. The possiblity of of setting a coin to the point where on side drastically out weighs the other is slim to none. While Changing the center of graviy and the balance of the coin will not affect an over all outcome of the randomness that is caused by quite literally hurling a coin end over end until it pings the ground and does the same thing again and again until it stops.

    Here is something else to put into your head, if the light side hits DOWN then the heavier side will force it down. Your logic of this is very one sided, kind of like the coin you are trying to create.
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