Bring Back Rep It Was Fun

[Govinda]

I would like to begin a campaign, perhaps a petition, to get the mods to bring back rep. I really liked it. It allowed sub-conversation behind everything.

Yes, there was room for abuse. I got rep once that called me a fat Communist lesbian with learning difficulties. But any anger subsides, and then it's just funny.

Yes, some people rep each other in turn and WOW they get more little green bars. So? Whos counting?

Anyway, I'd like to have it back, since it was one of the only things that made TFF different to other forums. VMs provide space for sub-conversations, but they're open to all. Rep was fun.

Please post below if you agree, and are in favour of not letting minorities take the fun out of letting people know you agree with them, saying hello, or being able to tell someone you think they're insane without everyone else having to know about it. PM's require more thought and aren't as fun.

BBRIWF 08 commence!

[Asectic]

Even though there might've been abuse and all that stuff (I never got one of those) but "I agree" that rep should stay. Dont know why would anyone abuse with the reps. Mentally challenged or just they think they're plain weird or angry that they'd take it out on other ppl? But yeah, it sort of did help with the converstion thing. I forgot to check a thread that was needed and later I got reminded and so on. o.O

[Halie]

I agree!

*Signs imaginary petition paper*.

Reputation was nice. May have been abused, but hey. That's where the warning system comes in =P.

[winterborn86]

I'm going to miss the rep system as well and i would love to have it back *takes imaginary pen from Halie, and signs paper*

[Martin]

*I sign on behalf of thos who agreed with the system. Yes it may have been abused but I don't think I did at all, and I don't know of anyone abusing it to my knowledge. Not to say it wasn't I don't really know. *Shrugs shoulders*

But surely there's a more amicable solution that getting rid of it altogether? Maybe change the rules on how much rep is given out and how much CAN be given out during 24hrs.

[Rikkuffx]

I'll miss it too but if it does come back they need to make it in some way be fair to everyone. I dont understand why people would abuse it but i do know it can cause controversy if someone is harassing someone by giving them bad rep.

*signs the paper too* I just think there needs to be some way to make it fair for everyone thats all i dont agree iwth taking it away completely.

[Raider]

i agree and so does my little friend


MUHHAHAHAHA

*signs ultimate papar*

[Dimi]

Originally posted by Me in the other thread
Actually, yeah. Depending on what kind of member he/she is. And besides, a huge majority of those people with 5,000+ posts either lurk, rarely post, or don't even come on here as much, therefore making it harder for other people to rep them or even acknowledge their presence.

Another thing, VM's are basically spam. At least that's how I see it. Then again, VM's are a cool feature to get to know other people. I don't see the sense in getting rid of the rep system just because a group of few people have been abusing it.

And if anything, hardly anyone even uses Usernotes.

*signs paper*

I'm sure there is another way of fixing this too. Perhaps restrict those who have been abusing it instead of not letting everyone as a whole not use it.

[Koda]

Why get rid of the reps? It was a great way to tell someone how well they liked their threads and/or posts, as well as maybe sometimes disagree with them which may have started another thread or discussion. Sure there were a few that got a little nasty or mean with the disagreements, but why punish everyone for what just a few do? Why not have the option to report the nasty reps and let the mods handle it?
Just taking it away doesn't sound fair to me.....and if you disagree with me...well.....no negative reps for me now......

[Meier Link]

Even though I dont it will do any good, I will put my name one it ::signs::

It was a fun system, and a good little quark that most other forum did not have.

[Walter Sobchak]

Woah, rep is gone. Didn't notice. Bring back old rep, where people could leave you anonymous hateful things.

Or use the thanks system instead. I have seen it on other vb boards, and it is much better.

[Pete]

Govinda for S-Mod!

I say that just because one or two people bitch over rep, that it should not be completely abolished. I've been bitching about word games for years now, but I don't get my say. Hell, together, Sarah and I have a combined 14 years here, which is older than some members, and we're not getting our way, so why, dare I ask, do you accommodate a very minuscule percentage of people who felt negative rep was unfairly given? Hell, why do the mods and admins have to get involved with every private occurrence between members? I feel that this is almost on the same grounds as something on aim.

I've already come up with a solution. If you get negative rep from a person, and you feel it is unjust, don't go crying to the mods, try PMing that person and asking them what the deal was. If they're still a prick to you, you can either block them, ignore them, or THEN tell the mods, and you know what they'll tell the attacker? Stop being a prick or you get a warning.

Ok, now that I've solved the problem, can we have our rep back?

[ChloChloAriadne]

I agree, and 'sign' this petition. Although it's not a massive deal to me personally, I believe that the removing of it has definitely detracted from the originality of this forum. I think it was easily worth the abuse and disrest it caused. Easy for me to say as I'm not a mod, but hey.

Bring it back.

[Doc Rocco]

Govinda for S-Mod!

That could be fun. In agreement with that and the return of rep.

I admit, I've abused rep in the past, but I've stopped. So you can probably pin some blame on me. Is there some way to ban some people from repping if they abuse the system? I don't know.

I'm in agreement with everyone. Rep was fun, and the little comments or conversations that resulted were always a pleasure to read. Generally, the positive rep comments were freindly, funny and interesting, and like Gov said, the neg ones you would laugh at later on. Some people do spam rep, yes, but the majority of the rep you recieve is "genuine". So anyway, I sign this petiton or whatever it is.

[Crazy Chocobo]

I don't care if it comes back or not, I really don't at this point of time. I do admit I abused the system too but for the last few weeks I didn't use it very much. I don't think they should bring it back but that's just my opinion. It was fun but it causes too many arguments and what not so I don't see why we need it.

I do know I want the gifts system back though, that was loads of fun. xD

[Pete]

Rocco brings up a great point. A lot of the rep I've received has been supportive, and often from people I wouldn't expect. It's kinda of a nice little reassurance to see that people you barely or don't even know actually read what you type and think about it enough to personally acknowledge you. And I won't lie, some of it has been shameless flirting, but that's all part of the business.

And really? cheating for rep? What do you win, it's like saying more people acknowledge you on a final fantasy website. I'm sure Cesar, Chez and Ally are all up there with the Star Wars kid, Tay Zonday and that Save Britney fruit in terms of internet popularity because of the rep.

[Sinister]

*waits for mods to close thread*

I agree, I enjoyed getting feedback on posts, whether negative or otherwise. But this place is not a democracy, sadly. Reputation was taken. I do, however, look to the admins and those with initiative to compensate us for this great loss, if possible.

I think bringing it back now would make the admins look wishy-washy, and therefore, it's doubtful it will be coming back anytime soon. Shame though... It fostered friendships, in my case. I got to know very quickly what was a good and useful post to the forum and what was not, plus finding people who agreed with me enough to go to the trouble repping.

But, it's a dangerous world, the world of expressed opinions. If you don't keep your head about you and take everything with a grain of salt...then you might end up taking it too seriously, which I believe was the case here...

-Sin

[Merlin]

Slow news day? This topic is pointless:

If/when a better solution is discovered, it will be implemented. Until then, the system is no more. I have an idea on a better system, but until it is fully-fleshed out I have no intention of discussing it.

Fuzz and I both agreed the system is broken and needs serious work. I'm not going to re-enable a broke-ass feature until it is fixed. Most of you are simply grasping at straws and have no clue as to the extent of the damage caused behind the scenes by this mod. I don't hate the Rep System, I just want something that actually does what it's supposed to... which right now, it doesn't.

As for closing this topic, that's a political decision best left to the people who handle those matters.

If you have any useful suggestions on how to improve/fix the system or on other things you would like added to TFF, please contact me directly.

[Rocky]

Slow news day? This topic is pointless:



Fuzz and I both agreed the system is broken and needs serious work. I'm not going to re-enable a broke-ass feature until it is fixed. Most of you are simply grasping at straws and have no clue as to the extent of the damage caused behind the scenes by this mod. I don't hate the Rep System, I just want something that actually does what it's supposed to... which right now, it doesn't.

As for closing this topic, that's a political decision best left to the people who handle those matters.

If you have any useful suggestions on how to improve/fix the system or on other things you would like added to TFF, please contact me directly.

What's broken about the rep system? Fill me in on what isn't working about it, as I would like to be an informed TFF member instead of someone who is "simply grasping at straws and has no clue as to the extent of the damage caused behind scenes by this mod," if you will please.

And I don't see why it needs to be taken away, If someone is working on a new system, what is wrong with using the old one until it gets remade or whatever? Is it putting that much damage onto the forums? Or is it because there were a few people abusing the system or flaming others through it? If that is the case, I think the majority tend to outweigh the few and we all shouldn't get punished because of the circumstance. Just my .02.

[OceanEyes28]

Have a little faith in the staff's willingness to have discussions like this without a mod closing it down immediately. Goodness.

I liked getting rep when someone found something I said helpful or funny, or when they liked a certain journal entry. Those reps were personal and fun. But I did get a lot of "random" reps, and it did start to get disappointing when people were repping me just for the sake of it, rather than because I said something good.

I want rep to come back eventually. But I'm okay to wait for a new system. Have patience, everyone.

[Sinister]

Have a little faith in the staff's willingness to have discussions like this without a mod closing it down immediately. Goodness.

That truly hurt, coming from you, Ocean. I have faith in the staff, most of all, yourself. It just seemed like a thread that would normally be sewn up, and I took the liberty of mentioning it.

I would've told you all this in a rep, but... I meant no slight to you, Ocean, as moderator of GC. Besides, I never said the reason to close it was the staff's unwillingness to have discussions... *sigh* I hope in the future to be more careful in my remarks, I suppose.


Apologies,
-Sin

[~Blackberry Jam~]

I'm new here so I don't know what's going on. But I think this reputation thing really CAN upset some people, we know who! It's like some people give bad/good reputation for some reasons that is unappropriate and we might not know that some people just "Hey! I hate your typing, I'll give you neg. rep.!" doing like that. I know it's sad but for me it's ok that this rep. system is gone so nobody will be fighting about this stupid thing!

[Govinda]

Govinda for S-Mod!

Oh hells yes.

Anyway, to mods - you could have given us a bit of warning at least, maybe discussed it with us. New ideas and systems conjured while the old one still exists, but waits quietly to be replaced by something better. I'm sure most of us, myself included, had no idea the rep system was giving you that much grief.

We knew nothing because you told us nothing. TFF is here for us, and you are here to, yes, enjoy the forums and have some chat, but also to make it better for us because we don't know how.

TFF is dying. Is this really, really the time to be revoking neat, member-driven features without having a replacement to hand?

Please note that I still think you're good mods and in no way expect you to shut this thread (since you're not actually dictators). I just think some conversation is needed before you up and change things - I mean change things as in change big things, not just moving the post counts to a different bit of the profiles - so that we know you're still on our level and that we're on yours.

[Dimi]

Originally posted by Govinda
We knew nothing because you told us nothing. TFF is here for us, and you are here to, yes, enjoy the forums and have some chat, but also to make it better for us because we don't know how.

See, that's the thing. As members, we're kept in the dark about things like that on here. And I can see why. But to a certain extent, we have every right to know since a majority of us are concerned about the forums and it's activity and we do need these "big changes".

I'm not upset at the rep overall being thrown away. I'm mainly irritated at the fact of how the situation has led to this decision and how people are accusing others of cheating and scheming. I'd like to see proof about that instead of having people be an ass to people and just stating what they feel or having this big power trip.

[Djinn]

Anyway, to mods - you could have given us a bit of warning at least, maybe discussed it with us. New ideas and systems conjured while the old one still exists, but waits quietly to be replaced by something better. I'm sure most of us, myself included, had no idea the rep system was giving you that much grief.

If we're talking about the rep being taking away here (rather than the previous rep drama) then the mods were just as in the dark as regular members. The decision to nuke rep was taken by people who maintain the forum rather than moderate it, and rightly so... if something is broken you take it out and either fix it or replace it with something that works as it is supposed to.

And before people get picky with the words i've used i am well aware that moderation is a form of maintenance.

Just thought i'd get that out there, since recently people have been jumping on mods for the slightest thing.

As for the rep system, i'm not really bothered to be honest. I mean it was nice to see good comments about something you've said but as people have already posted, there were too many "random" reps so people could get back to repping their friends.

[Meier Link]

Isn't there a section of the forum (not saying the name) that is there just for the purpose of talking things over with the older memebers and loyal members? But then again that section seems rarely used and most of what is decided never comes to be.

Where I am getting at with this is, something like this should of been discussed there and some opinions should of been taken IMO. Like for instance possibilities of how to fix the broken system.

By the way, the mods here rock and I respect everyone of them, they do a dang good job compaired to many other forums. But that is way off topic. And no I am not trying to brown nose, it's just the plain and simple truth.

[Victoria]

Yeah, some "moderators" were kept in the dark also about the removal. (Well... Those of us who don't regularly check the staff forum, anyway...As soon as it was suggested to be removed.. it was removed. No chance at discussing it's removal. Since.. yeah...)
The forum technician/s are not obligated to discuss any forum addon/removal with the political staff, since the reasons for removing the rep system were NOT political as 90% of you seem to think.

And yeah, you lot are kept in the dark about lots of things.... things that don't concern you.

Honestly, talking about discussing things with you like this and all.. you have a point there, but honestly... only some things should be discussed with the public. Most things... not.

As someone said earlier "If they decide to leave because some stupid feature is gone, then they weren't here for the forum in the first place."

I have to agree with that statement. Regardless of the type of feature, obviously.

Honestly, if you feel we have to discuss things with you, hey, we might as well make the Staff forum public! >_>;;

...Uh.. No. -_-;


*sigh* Honestly.. something gets removed, and a can of worms is opened up.
Something gets added, and not even a word of thanks/approval except from a few noobs, and a few sensible people.

Pretty sad, no?

And if TFF is truly dying, then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT instead of complaining about some shiny feature that was removed.

Seriously.. TFF is 70% all talk and no action. People complain and complain.. but never do a damn thing about anything.

I have my own ideas for my own forums and stuff, so I don't know about you guys.

Seriously. If TFF's activity is so low, tell your friends. Tell your neighbors, tell the mail person... make flyers. Make book inserts or something. Spread it out.

Link to it in your off-site blogs, or your myspace, or facebook, or friendster, or twitter...
Do SOMETHING instead of complain.


Oh, look.. I derailed the thread again... Kind of.
(Yay for ranting?)

[darkViVi]

Seriously.. TFF is 70% all talk and no action. People complain and complain.. but never do a damn thing about anything.

Word

(Yay for ranting?)

Yay

Anyway, to mods - you could have given us a bit of warning at least

Why? As far as you're concerned, on this forum Fuzz and the tech guys are gods. They do what they want, when they want and how they want. All you can do is suck it up or complain, latter is rather pointless though.

EDIT: The feature was never there so you could have -fun- anyways ^_^

[Rikkuffx]

EDIT: The feature was never there so you could have -fun- anyways ^_^

That what the forum is for,to have fun. But rep was nice,it made me feel good at least when I would get reps knowing people appreciated my posts and then i'd rep them back as a thanks.

[Victoria]

See, that's the abuse. That's what's wrong with people. The purpose of rep isn't to rep people back as a thanks. It may seem harmless, but that's abuse. Sure, you can rep them back.. but only if they have an equally good post of contribution. Then that's fine.

Rep isn't supposed to be a popularity contest. It's supposed to show who contributed the most to the forum as a whole.

That's where it went all wrong.