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    #LOCKE4GOD Remember What I Told you about Obama 4 Years Ago? Alpha's Avatar
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    Re: Remember What I Told you about Obama 4 Years Ago?

    I understand the lesser of two evils point, but that's not what Locke suggested is the case, nor you for that matter. The lesser of two evils argument would require a Republican candidate who had similar policies to Obama, but supports them even more fervently, assuming one dislikes Obama's policies.

    Locke listed some policies, implying that Romney would do the diametric opposite of each. Surely then, Romney cannot be the lesser of two evils in relation to Obama?

    Assuming the polls I've seen are correct (they may not be, obviously), then Obama is simply more popular, and Locke is just going through the motions again.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha View Post
    I understand the lesser of two evils point, but that's not what Locke suggested is the case, nor you for that matter. The lesser of two evils argument would require a Republican candidate who had similar policies to Obama, but supports them even more fervently, assuming one dislikes Obama's policies.
    Not necessarily. There are a lot of people in the middle or slight left, for whom Obama may be too liberal for, but Romney is too conservative for. There are also people on the extremes of either end, for whom Romney is too socially conservative for, but Obama is too fiscally liberal for. (Libertarians usually support liberals on social policies, but conservatives on fiscal policy.)

    And then, of course, there are the voters who focus on one primary issue. Someone may be liberal, but Obama's stance on, say, gun control makes them vote against him. Another might be conservative, but pro-abortion, and that might make them vote against Romney.

    Assuming the polls I've seen are correct (they may not be, obviously), then Obama is simply more popular, and Locke is just going through the motions again.
    From what I've seen, they are pretty even in the popular vote (very even, or at least between the margin of error), and Obama has more projected electoral votes, but that is sure to change in the next five and a half months. Here's an editorial from Forbes, and here is a chart and a table concerning their respective poll numbers.

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    Watch every program on Fox News(even the NEWS) and tell me they aren't showing emotion and opinions in every story they report.. I wasn't referring to bill o'riley
    Sure, in your opinion, they may show their bias. Now, do you have anything to back up that asinine claim, or only your own voicing of ignorant, unfounded allegations?

    The facts are all there. Not trying to sugarcoat anything.
    The opinion that Bush was a good or bad President is just that -- an opinion. But the facts remain, if you would stop avoiding them -- more money has been taxed, more tax money has been spent, more debt has been accrued, more threats have been ignored, more jobs have been lost, more corruption has been hidden, more favors have been given, more money has been spent on vacations, more dead-ends have been financed, more rights have been restricted, and more cultural and racial division has been caused by Obama than by Bush, even in Obama's three-and-a-half years in comparison to Bush's eight.

    So -- other than all of those facts -- how do you measure success as a President? Actually, don't feel obligated to answer that -- I can easily get my comedy somewhere else.

    Do you think his birth certificate was forged as well and question anything that is a "topic" on FOX NEWS?
    Boy, you're really on this FOX News kick, aren't you, kid?

    And I don't know if his birth certificate was forged. I haven't seen it. Neither have you -- what was released was a Certificate of Live Birth, not synonymous with a Birth Certificate. But no, I'm not a "birther" who thinks Obama was born in Kenya.

    There is such thing as a non-Christian Mormon, yes.
    A belief in Jesus as Messiah makes one Christian. Mormonism requires a belief in Jesus as Messiah. So, no, there is no such thing as a non-Christian Mormon.

    Go find me anything where Romney says "he's Christian".
    "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind."
    -Mitt Romney

    Anything else?

    I never said Mormonism didn't stem from Christian ideals but there's a fine boundary when you see how the stereotypical practices differ.
    And I'm sure that all conservatives come to you for your definitions of Christianity, right?

    I don't see any Jewish or non-Christ believer in the Republican party...
    You don't see it, so Republicans like Arlen Specter (Republican, Jewish) must not exist, I suppose.

    I've heard of a few agnostic, but none of them have any political power or are in office of importance.
    Since the vast majority of Americans claim to be Christian, it would only make sense for the vast majority of politicians -- Republican and Democrat -- to claim to be Christian. Which is why the vast majority of politicians -- Republican and Democrat -- DO claim to be Christian.

    And by simply saying "no" and calling people "stupid" doesn't make something "not true."
    I'm actually going to quote you on this one ... "The facts are all there. Not trying to sugarcoat anything.". I just calls 'em like I sees 'em.

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