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Well when squall is revived, Seifer asked what seeD was. Ultimecia needed him alive to know. Greiver was stated to be a legendary GF, meaning Greiver can't be Squall, unless you are leaning to the form that the party battles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke4God
I'll be honest, I've never noticed there to be different forms of Griever. I kind of thought the whole point of naming him earlier in the game was to show that he was at the very least unique in the final battle, and possibly that there was a deeper connection between the three of them. Why is Squall carrying around a necklace of this Legendary GF, and why is that GF presented as a symbol of the game? I'm just thinking out loud. That makes me think there's a more personal connection of the GF to squall himself and not that Squall just likes him or something.
When/Where is it stated that Griever is a legendary (old) GF?
Well, there are several sources, but the only one I can remember is scanning Greiver during the last battle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke4God
And the battle themse that plays is named Legendary beast or Legendary summon, one of those two.
Adel's "element" is man-hood. A giant sorceress that has better defined muscles, including pecks, than any man in Final Fantasy VIII.Quote:
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As for Griever: if I remember correctly, Griever is Squall's interpretation of the ultimate Guardian Force, extracted from Squall's mind & brought to life by Ultimecia during the final battle.
Locke4God:People are hunting the sorceresses down because they know one of them is going to try time compression. Exactly when the start to hunt down and persecute them is not certain just in the future. How far into the future is unknown.
When time is involved things get confusing. Just look at Final Fantasy. Chaos is Garland flung into the past by the Fiends with their power. Yet, how would there be a Chaos Shrine if Garland has yet to die? When there is time travel/time loops/people f*ck*ng with time, how events happened initially are hard to discern.
If that's the case then, I just don't get why Greiver then is such and important icon to Squall. That totally feels random. I mean why would he care so much as to have a necklace of it on him at all times, and other emblems in his room. Why would I the player care about this GF when I know nothing about it or it's history. There'd have to be more to it than that right?
But I have a theory maybe that just occurred to me. If Ultimacia is from the future, then perhaps he's legendary from where he comes in the future? That would thusly be able to tie into the Rinoa=Ult, Squall=Greiver theories.
Huh, Squall being Griever seems cool from your insight. But I can't really see it being true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke4God
I am guesssing the reason squll likes Greiver is... cause he likes it literally.
When Zell asks for Squalls Ring, Squalls says he really likes this ring. Which for some reason to me, was funny as all hell.
Yeah,,, well I don't know,,,, We could go on about this.
I know it's not accurate, but
I just like the idea that in a different timeline, Rinoa fell for squall, she was hunted, he protected her, later he died and she converted him to her GF Griever, she jumped through time avoiding attacks, grew dissoriented, and bitter, eventually became insane with both the loss of the true squall and a world of enemies, attempted the time compression act that we know in the game.
I just like it. I don't know. It's more fun for me.
The Griever symbols that Squall has: the necklace, the ring, & on his gunblade are all symbols that embody his values. Specifically the head of Griever which is a lion. Take the symbolism of a lion like: pride, courage, authority, dignity, etc. and that is what Squall values dearly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke4God
Locke, exactly what are you referring to when you said, "then perhaps he's legendary from where he comes in the future"?
Do you mean Squall or Griever?
I believe in the Japanese version of the game during the final fight it explains how Ultimecia brought Griever to life & why.
@ Zargabaath - I meant Griever is legendary where he comes from in the future.
That wouldn't make such sense still since it is Squall that is needed to make Griever. Before Ultimecia's actions there was no GF Griever. She brought it to life on the spot from Squall's mind. The result would be different if she took the "ultimate" GF from some other person's mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke4God
It think it would make sense, if she created him from squall in the game's main timeline, then the hundred years or however far it was in the future that Ultimacia came from Griever was by that time a legendary GF. Then when she returns to fight that battle again from the future, it says "Legendary GF".
That may not be exactly what you meant though. It gets a little confusing trying to sort this one out. Let me know.
Griever was first created during the Time Compression imposed by Ultimecia, therefore she would not have gone back in time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Locke4God
Also, why would she come back to make Griever from Squall's mind plus, how would she send her body back as it appears that she could not transfer her powers to another sorceress through mind control. As to the "GF making" ability I believe that is Ultimecia's alone.
Griever is "legendary" because that is what Squall thinks is the Ultimate GF. It may not be legendary in the sense that it has been around for a while. Instead it is "legendary" for what it represents.
Hmm, something interesting. Was it ultimecias ability to recreate GF's? Or was it because all the other sorceresses power she gained? I remember something stating the iguanas that you fight were once real, but again, she animated them from nothingness.
Also, how the hell tdid omega get in her castle unless it was just... for fun lol