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    (SPOILER) I had a problem with Kuja,,,

    Destorying his home planet!.

    Not because he did it, which was AWESOME btw, but because I couldn't believe that my entire party had a shot at beating him. I mean, did Zidane display that sort of power? to annihilate an entire world? I don't think so, and neither did anybody else, nor the entire party combined. I just couldn't understand how it was possible that I could beat somebody who was that strong, and who in the final battle never displyed that type of strength in the least. In fact Kuja was pretty easy to beat in the final battle, but it doesn't make sense, when he'd just destroyed an entire planet. It was just too much, and kind of ruined the plausibility of actually beating him. It'd be like me beating an NBA player in one on one. It just couldn't happen, and if you saw it happen, you would know it didn't make sense.

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    Re: (SPOILER) I had a problem with Kuja,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by Locke4God View Post
    Destorying his home planet!.

    Not because he did it, which was AWESOME btw, but because I couldn't believe that my entire party had a shot at beating him. I mean, did Zidane display that sort of power? to annihilate an entire world? I don't think so, and neither did anybody else, nor the entire party combined. I just couldn't understand how it was possible that I could beat somebody who was that strong, and who in the final battle never displyed that type of strength in the least. In fact Kuja was pretty easy to beat in the final battle, but it doesn't make sense, when he'd just destroyed an entire planet. It was just too much, and kind of ruined the plausibility of actually beating him. It'd be like me beating an NBA player in one on one. It just couldn't happen, and if you saw it happen, you would know it didn't make sense.
    He didn't actually destroy Terra. If you paid attention to his lines before battling Deathguise, Kuja said Terra's assimilation with Gaia had already begun. He may have destroyed a city, perhaps a chunk of the world even, but not the world itself.

    Storyline-wise, even Mikoto mentioned that the party would be killed if they challenged Kuja. Who knows what happened and how the party technically won, but we do know that Kuja's time was almost up. It could be that he used a lot of power when he destroyed Terra, or that he was growing weaker the longer he stayed alive.
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    Re: (SPOILER) I had a problem with Kuja,,,

    According to Garland, Zidane has potential to surpass Kuja, after all he's real angel of death, at least meant to be. He's also more experienced at trance, obtaining it way before Kuja, and in non artificial way as well. Both Eiko, and Garnet come from tribe which Garland himself feared, combined they probably had a shoot. Also what Leon said, Kuja seemed invincible, but his clock was ticking away. Destroying Terra, summoning four fiends, and Deathgaze had to wear him of.

    As for Kuja being easy to defeat, it's all about gameplay, the same way Sephiroth, Emperor Mateus, and Kefka were easy, in final battle neither one showed the same power they had through the story. If you look at it there was no way Sephiroth could lose, but he did, apparently he underestimated his opponents is the best they could come with in Square, three time while we're at it. Maybe the same thing happened to Kuja, it makes sense since he was a huge narcissist to begin with.

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    Re: (SPOILER) I had a problem with Kuja,,,

    Well Kuja kinda defeats himself, at the end of the battle he cast's Ultima and you're whole party is defeated. He also did destroy Terra with Ultima, not just a chunk of it, I think it just kinda regenerates back. Also Zidane was only able to obtain Trance before Kuja is because he was created with emotion, Kuja wasn't, the Invincible and all it's gathered souls gave Kuja the ability to go into Trance, in a sense he artificially gave himself Trance. Kuja is one of the only villains to actually achieve what they were trying to do. He destroyed the Crystal which unleashed Necron, like Xande which unleashed Cloud of Darkness. Except I believe Xande was aiming for The Void.
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    Re: (SPOILER) I had a problem with Kuja,,,

    It's all about the difference between Power of Plot and Combat Power. The Power of Plot often times shows the villain to be very powerful. But for actually fighting a villain it isn't too tough in the Final Fantasy series. As Xanatos said the player is able to beat a few final bosses that showcased great power. In the case of Sephiroth he is the strongest being in the Final Fantasy VII universe so said by the creators. The player, however, has to be able to beat him to beat the game.


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    Re: (SPOILER) I had a problem with Kuja,,,

    Exactly what Zargabaath said.

    the power of Plot shows Kuja as immensely powerful, while your own party takes several hits to defeat even random monsters. But somehow they're able to beat this guy who has Nuke level power? It did really seem to add up.

    @ Xanatos - I get that Zidane had the "potential" but that was never explored or demonstrated in the game's plot, and he didn't ever use some uber powered technique to beat him. Just hack & slash wound up beating this guy who had previously obliterated a large city or planet. It didn't make much sense.

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    Re: (SPOILER) I had a problem with Kuja,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by Locke4God View Post
    Exactly what Zargabaath said.

    the power of Plot shows Kuja as immensely powerful, while your own party takes several hits to defeat even random monsters. But somehow they're able to beat this guy who has Nuke level power? It did really seem to add up.
    It's not just case with Kuja, same goes for almost every final boss in Final Fantasy franchise. Kefka annihilated the entire planet, yet it took less than a minute to defeat him, Sephiroth was history after two turns, Emperor Masteus as well, power of gameplay is not equal to power of plot, which is exactly what Zargabaath said.

    @ Xanatos - I get that Zidane had the "potential" but that was never explored or demonstrated in the game's plot, and he didn't ever use some uber powered technique to beat him. Just hack & slash wound up beating this guy who had previously obliterated a large city or planet. It didn't make much sense.
    Welcome to Final Fantasy, place where quite a few things don't make sense. To be honest I have same issue with Final Fantasy VII, Sephiroth respectively, if you gather around all the facts there was no way Sephiroth could lose, actually, Zidane and Co. beating Kuja make more sense than this, at least there was a hope, same with Terra vs Kefka. In most cases villains are far superior, at least shown that way, still they end up being defeated, often it doesn't make sense, other times Square comes with lame excuses, in other words it still doesn't make sense =).

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    Re: (SPOILER) I had a problem with Kuja,,,

    Well he is the bad guy so he is supposed to look mega hard even though he can destroy an entire world but he can get his ass whupped by some normal people (Quina, Vivi ,Freya etc not exavctly normal but for the sake of argument) how is it possible to beat him? Another question that will never be answered can only be speculated on.

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