World Of Warcraft

[nix]

WoW was a good MMO, now its just catered for noobs, real gamers (skilled) get bored of it fast and see all the flaws/imbalances it has..

By your logic, the more people that play it the better the game is???

Blizzard have moulded the game so simpletons (which are in the millions sadly) keep playing, they are easily amused by how EASY it is to get geared up in the game now, it doesnt require much effort or skill. They throw "cool" things at them like mounts, cool looking easy to obtain set armor, pets and other shit to keep the slow minded entertained while pretty much refusing to fix the balance issues in Pvp/world pvp. They dont give a shit about PvP because good players reign through by constantly beating on these simpletons, these simpletons then cry non stop threatening to cancel theirs subs because they are too lazy to learn how to compete. So blizz just remove this stuff and section it off to sandbox pvp, why join a PvP server if you're not gonna pvp??? the mind boggles.

Back in vanilla/TBC people had to work hard to even prep for raiding, fighting opposite faction for mats farming locations, raid summoning stones, running new guild members through previous raids to get them geared. Back then not many guilds on my server would get to raid past karazan as they would have to dedicate alot of time to preping for the hard fights at hand, every little boost you made counted.

Now people get summoned en-mass by one person to any location, they dont need to bother with flasks/food/resistance armour or skill, farming has been made alot easier, they have pretty much eradicated world pvp by making it sandbox pvp. The only people who actually leave the capital cities after reaching max level is to farm herbs/ore/skinning, thats it! After that its standing in the capital cities and loading into raids/BG's.

Its no longer a MASSIVE multiplayer game in mine and many others opinions.

The only reason WoW is still doing so well is that nobody has the brains and money to make a better game, they just throw money at a wow clone which ends up being bug ridden (AoC, Swtor etc) and people just go back to the easyness of wow.

Same style is following in many other game platforms, especially to me, FPS gaming, COD and BF are catered to retards. appeasing the simple minded with weapon upgrades/perks and pretty much eradicating the competitive gaming scene. I'm crossing fingers for the new counter strike to take off, as in the last 10 years, Counter strike has been the only worthy FPS..

[Mystyrion]

WoW was a good MMO, now its just catered for noobs, real gamers (skilled) get bored of it fast and see all the flaws/imbalances it has..

By your logic, the more people that play it the better the game is???

Blizzard have moulded the game so simpletons (which are in the millions sadly) keep playing, they are easily amused by how EASY it is to get geared up in the game now, it doesnt require much effort or skill. They throw "cool" things at them like mounts, cool looking easy to obtain set armor, pets and other shit to keep the slow minded entertained while pretty much refusing to fix the balance issues in Pvp/world pvp. They dont give a shit about PvP because good players reign through by constantly beating on these simpletons, these simpletons then cry non stop threatening to cancel theirs subs because they are too lazy to learn how to compete. So blizz just remove this stuff and section it off to sandbox pvp, why join a PvP server if you're not gonna pvp??? the mind boggles.

Back in vanilla/TBC people had to work hard to even prep for raiding, fighting opposite faction for mats farming locations, raid summoning stones, running new guild members through previous raids to get them geared. Back then not many guilds on my server would get to raid past karazan as they would have to dedicate alot of time to preping for the hard fights at hand, every little boost you made counted.

Now people get summoned en-mass by one person to any location, they dont need to bother with flasks/food/resistance armour or skill, farming has been made alot easier, they have pretty much eradicated world pvp by making it sandbox pvp. The only people who actually leave the capital cities after reaching max level is to farm herbs/ore/skinning, thats it! After that its standing in the capital cities and loading into raids/BG's.

Its no longer a MASSIVE multiplayer game in mine and many others opinions.

The only reason WoW is still doing so well is that nobody has the brains and money to make a better game, they just throw money at a wow clone which ends up being bug ridden (AoC, Swtor etc) and people just go back to the easyness of wow.

Same style is following in many other game platforms, especially to me, FPS gaming, COD and BF are catered to retards. appeasing the simple minded with weapon upgrades/perks and pretty much eradicating the competitive gaming scene. I'm crossing fingers for the new counter strike to take off, as in the last 10 years, Counter strike has been the only worthy FPS..

I am Bias and i approve this message.
World PvP isn't even existent in this game anymore. The only world PvP you'll get is if you sit out in BC and farm some low levels until one of them happens to be in a mildly large guild.
Classes still aren't balanced. You'd think after ten years of tweaking this game you'd be able to make the claim of most balanced classes ever.

I wouldn't say so much a WoW clone. Every MMO just isn't willing to expand whats beyond the normal for a MMO. When i first played Rift, i immediately quit the beta and went back to WoW. There was little difference. The matching you with people on similar quest was cool, the skill set was a fresh change. But nothing about the game stood out from any other MMO. I had no reason to leave my guild and high level characters for that.

You still have Halo for competitive FPS

I've played WoW on and off in the last few years (currently unsubbed cos of SWTOR). Anyhow, despite all the player complaints about it, I enjoy playing it. I did stuff from hardcore raiding to casual BGs, Heroics/Instances and Arenas.

I am playing SWTOR right now because it's new and quite entertaining but when it comes to stability and features, WoW is still better. I played all the big MMOs that released in the last few years : CoX, Warhammer, AoC, Aion, Rift, Tabula Rasa. I always found myself going back to WoW lol. Dunno if I'd come back again when I am done with SW, I am actually just waiting for Guild Wars 2 at this point.

I was highly debating between Guild Wars 2 and Tera. I ultimately chose Tera. The whole Third Person Shooter thing makes the game SO much more enjoyable to play. Adds a whole other skill gap into the PvP side of things.
I was really leaning towards Guild Wars 2 because of how they cater to PvP. Being able to reach high levels while mainly sticking to PvP. No grinding. That is a huge plus for me. It took me almost 2 years to get my 80 on WoW because i couldn't stand grinding. I hit 43 ish, quit because of how bored i was. Then up to 68. rinse and repeat until 80.

Tera is a grindy game, but I'm hoping I'll be able to get past that with the action this game brings to MMO's. Instead of the typical point and click.
I'll still probably pick up Guild Wars 2 when it drops.

[Kaiden]

I am lazy and don’t feel like using multiple quotes, but here is some responses.

*So Blizzard made the game easier so more of their player base could see all of the content? That makes a game trash... I guess, if you are looking for a really hard challenge. That would ruin the game for you. I can concede this, if a game isn't a challenge I would quickly get bored and stop playing.

*Yes millions of people playing and enjoying a single game for over 8 years makes it a good game. That doesn't mean you have to like the game.

*As to it not being a massive multiplayer game because people don’t choose to roam the world... really? So even though there are thousands of people on every server, because they choose to stay in cities it’s not a massive multiplayer game. Sorry that doesn’t make any sense to me.

As to class balance, I am sure blizzard has poured countless resources into trying to balance the game. There is no quicker death to a multiplayer game than one that’s imbalanced. So I am going to assume you are exaggerating this at least a little. Although I don't play so I could be woefully ignorant.

[nix]

I am lazy and don’t feel like using multiple quotes, but here is some responses.

*So Blizzard made the game easier so more of their player base could see all of the content? That makes a game trash... I guess, if you are looking for a really hard challenge. That would ruin the game for you. I can concede this, if a game isn't a challenge I would quickly get bored and stop playing.

*Yes millions of people playing and enjoying a single game for over 8 years makes it a good game. That doesn't mean you have to like the game.

*As to it not being a massive multiplayer game because people don’t choose to roam the world... really? So even though there are thousands of people on every server, because they choose to stay in cities it’s not a massive multiplayer game. Sorry that doesn’t make any sense to me.

As to class balance, I am sure blizzard has poured countless resources into trying to balance the game. There is no quicker death to a multiplayer game than one that’s imbalanced. So I am going to assume you are exaggerating this at least a little. Although I don't play so I could be woefully ignorant.

Are these your quote or what the **** are you talking about?

[Kaiden]

Are these your quote or what the **** are you talking about?

It's exactly what it says it is, responses to different points brought up in the thread without using quotes to reference said points, not hard to understand or so I thought sorry. I guess I should have explained it different.

Edit: I guess I shouldn't try to defend it anymore. Reading through responses, you guys want a game that is more challenging that has classes balanced for pvp, instead of pve. While also having more challenging pve. Blizzard took wow in the other direction because it made more money that way. That pissed you off and you don't play the game anymore. Now you tell everyone how much better it was before other people wanted easier content.

Edit 2: Reading that again, it sounded so spiteful. It's not meant to be. I am just stating I understand where you are comming from or atleast I think I do.

[Secret Weapon]

Kaiden

Re: World Of Warcraft
It's exactly what it says it is, responses to different points brought up in the thread without using quotes to reference said points, not hard to understand or so I thought sorry. I guess I should have explained it different.

Edit: I guess I shouldn't try to defend it anymore. Reading through responses, you guys want a game that is more challenging that has classes balanced for pvp, instead of pve. While also having more challenging pve. Blizzard took wow in the other direction because it made more money that way. That pissed you off and you don't play the game anymore. Now you tell everyone how much better it was before other people wanted easier content.

Edit 2: Reading that again, it sounded so spiteful. It's not meant to be. I am just stating I understand where you are comming from or atleast I think I do.

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I hear ya man but what we're asking of Blizzard isn't really much. Aside from all the nerfing they've done to classes that shouldnt have been touched ( and the most fun with) and BARELY nerfed overpowered ones.

They care more about their outlook and what they THINK we want. I guarantee majority of hardcore wowsters will get sick of it eventually. I feel I'm only playing it now cause of my favorite classes (still curse rogues till this day).

[nix]

It's exactly what it says it is, responses to different points brought up in the thread without using quotes to reference said points, not hard to understand or so I thought sorry. I guess I should have explained it different.

Edit: I guess I shouldn't try to defend it anymore. Reading through responses, you guys want a game that is more challenging that has classes balanced for pvp, instead of pve. While also having more challenging pve. Blizzard took wow in the other direction because it made more money that way. That pissed you off and you don't play the game anymore. Now you tell everyone how much better it was before other people wanted easier content.

Edit 2: Reading that again, it sounded so spiteful. It's not meant to be. I am just stating I understand where you are comming from or atleast I think I do.

Yeah thats about it

And dont worry bout sounding spiteful or whatever, i understand opinions come out that way sometimes..

And im always bitchin bout games nowadays anyway, im a bitter old gamer

[Mystyrion]

*So Blizzard made the game easier so more of their player base could see all of the content? That makes a game trash... I guess, if you are looking for a really hard challenge. That would ruin the game for you. I can concede this, if a game isn't a challenge I would quickly get bored and stop playing.

Halo Reach did the same thing and its population has dropped considerably since its glory days.
The forums are filled with constant arguments on how to bring competitiveness back into the game.
Alternatively WoW has finally border lined on population and has actually started losing players. Coincidence? I think not.

*As to it not being a massive multiplayer game because people don’t choose to roam the world... really? So even though there are thousands of people on every server, because they choose to stay in cities it’s not a massive multiplayer game. Sorry that doesn’t make any sense to me.

The point they are trying to make is it almost would make no difference if you just had some kind of matchmaking system to match people into end game content. Going out and questing is literally non-existent in this game, you'll find people randomly throughout your grind to 85, but everyone does the same thing. Grind to 85, sit in SW or ORG. World PvP is gone for the same reason.

As to class balance, I am sure blizzard has poured countless resources into trying to balance the game. There is no quicker death to a multiplayer game than one that’s imbalanced. So I am going to assume you are exaggerating this at least a little. Although I don't play so I could be woefully ignorant.

Again its population has peaked and has started losing players.
I'll admit that WoW isn't any more imbalanced that any other MMO, but that certainly doesn't make it optimal.