Do you think videogames will ever be as good as in the 80's and 90's

[Lacquer Head]

When Wolfenstein 3D came out wasn't every FPS just a copy/clone after that, yes even Doom. You could say Doom perfected the formula, had different setting and weapons, though in truth that can be said for a lot of shooters since then. It has always been perfecting the formula with few groundbreaking games in between. Jump from 2D to 3D was impressive to say the least, as was full motion gaming when it first appeared few years ago, video game industry still comes up with new stuff. What people fail to notice is just how much new games perfected the formula and are still pushing forward, multiplayer, story telling, music, and graphics in particular. What I'm trying to say, don't slam a great car just because it isn't as groundbreaking as the very first one, it's still a pretty great car if you know what I mean.

A more accurate description would be saying you invented new chess, instead of red and black, the board is green and blue with chess pieces!!! But I've always been really cynical with first person shooters, there are some good ones that actually TRY to be innovative...then you get Halo 4

There's nothing wrong with perfecting a formula, granted you bring something new on the table (I feel a lot of sequels do more than that), I'm pretty sure that's how things work in general. I'm with you on Zelda, Super Mario Galaxy 2 however just might surprise you, give it a go.

I'm one of the few people that thought the idea behind the wii was pretty cool...though when i hold the controllers, i look like michael j fox...so i'm not exactly good at wii games. As for mario...meh, burnt out on it, though one of the zelda games would be interesting...though i don't see much innovation after twilight princess

I'm pretty sure you're winding me up by this point.

I'm just very paranoid >_>

You're mostly right there Xan. But BioShock is a spiritual sequel to System Shock, Persona 4 Arena is.. well part of the Persona series so not a new IP, and XCOM is part of the XCOM series. Kingdoms of Amalur basically bankrupted their studio (and the state of Rhode Island took a hit too with their $75m loan) so I wouldn't expect to see another one of those anytime soon. I actually agree with your point though.

1. I remember this...and it's no surprised they bankrupted their studio...75 million goddamn dollars

2. Why in the hell did a state feel it was appropriate to loan money to a gaming studio...especially the smallest state in the country

My two cents: It's all relative. The games you played when you were younger were great because you were less cynical and you had less choice. It's nostalgia and that, my friend, is opium for old people. You were just enjoying the games you played more back then, it doesn't make them better. Games in my opinion will always be the same.

Nah, I didn't play many games as a kid, pretty much just mario and pokemon, I've only recently began playing a lot of older games.

It's as if the games on the systems today are made for people who have very low attention spans. In the sense that, if it does get to hard, there is a cheat to pass it. Or if for some odd reason a puzzle is too hard then just Youtube the answer. Or if you die too often just put god mode on. I find that todays gamers expect to be spoon fed if it gets too hard. (Let's not make a reference to Game genie on the cheats, I know it was available)

No, cheats are awesome, and they're one thing that's improving, especially with hacking. It's just epic to twist games to where they never should have been. Hell, hacks of games are actually creating pretty amazing games in their own right, google pokemon brown, that game is epic.

[Martin]

A more accurate description would be saying you invented new chess, instead of red and black, the board is green and blue with chess pieces!!!

Nah, I didn't play many games as a kid, pretty much just mario and pokemon, I've only recently began playing a lot of older games.

No, cheats are awesome, and they're one thing that's improving, especially with hacking. It's just epic to twist games to where they never should have been. Hell, hacks of games are actually creating pretty amazing games in their own right, google pokemon brown, that game is epic.

Firstly, Chess isn't played on a red and black board. That's a Checkers board. Chess should be Black and White. Secondly I'd assume that that is your personal standpoint and I'd say on this board at least you'd be in the minority, and that my point kind of still stands. Thirdly I abhor cheating to advance in games. Cheat coding that is deliberately left into the game as a means to have a bit of fun (GTA and the like) is all well and good but hacking games is pointless. A video game is a concept from a designer - they have an idea and the game is the finished product of that idea. It is to the detriment of that idea to 'twist to where they never should have been'. If it was a good idea, major game companies would make the game to begin with.

[Lacquer Head]

Firstly, Chess isn't played on a red and black board. That's a Checkers board. Chess should be Black and White.

I meant to say checkers lol should have been easy to guess when I mentioned it was new because of chess pieces.

Secondly I'd assume that that is your personal standpoint and I'd say on this board at least you'd be in the minority, and that my point kind of still stands.

Not only do I doubt that, it doesn't make a difference lol just because other people think it's a good game doesn't mean I will.

Thirdly I abhor cheating to advance in games. Cheat coding that is deliberately left into the game as a means to have a bit of fun (GTA and the like) is all well and good but hacking games is pointless. A video game is a concept from a designer - they have an idea and the game is the finished product of that idea. It is to the detriment of that idea to 'twist to where they never should have been'. If it was a good idea, major game companies would make the game to begin with.

With that mentality, if war was a bad idea, politicians wouldn't start them. See, game companies are there to, and this may surprise you, turn a profit. They don't care about the consumer. That's the thing right there, I'm the consumer, not the company, I'm the one paying for the product, so I can do whatever the **** I want with the game. Their opinion means shit to me, I'll do whatever I want to squeeze out some entertainment. I've never had to use a cheat to advance in a game, you can hack and cheat to see things and get to places you were never SUPPOSED to get. There's just a certain satisfaction in walking into that little hole in Zora's Fountain...