True potential of the Super-Bosses?

[Angel of Iniquity]

I mean, let's look at FFX's Penance. He is Yevons last way of stopping Yuna.
If Penance is that strong, can't it just blast away Sin over and over again?

What I'm saying is, to what extent to we see Super-bosses ability, and do they have an applicable backstory?

Omega, Shinryu, FF8 type Omega, Vercingetorix...

They have little to no story about them, they are just kinda there.

Is there any behind story to them?
Confusing way of stating it but it's late where I am.

[loaf]

As said in your other thread. Only rarely are they explained.

FFVII? The weapons are explained.
FFVIII? One of the superbosses is explained, the other isn't.
FFIX? The 2 are not explained.

As far as the rest, I'm not to sure. In FFX the guy just creates all those superbosses. In FFXII they are just rare beasts that are old and ancient, don't remember if any backstory is brought up.

I know in FFV Shinryu is a monster in the Void I believe, and Omega I am not to sure.

It's just added feature to the game for people who complete the story line first. It's expected to take these on after you beat the game. For the most part, they don't want/need them to connect.

[Angel of Iniquity]

Aww man, I guess I'm really interested in their backstory, being that they are rediculusly powerful and all lol.

I think Omega was made to kill Shinryu, which was a summon my Chaos, not sure tho.

[Ralz]

Maybe we should be glad they didn't get involved. If we got guys running around who make the final bosses look like prinnies, we've got a problem.

[Angel of Iniquity]

Maybe we should be glad they didn't get involved. If we got guys running around who make the final bosses look like prinnies, we've got a problem.

LOL

I also question their over all power now that you mention it.
Since Yazmat isn't really explained from what I can see. (never checked),.
Yazmat only uses wind based attacks as his strongest attacks.
isn't he holy based? Doesn't dark hurt him? Isn't he a hyper god dragon thingy? Why the hell is he spamming a slightly powerful tornado over and over again instead of the awesome Terra break? Or Ultima since the game doesn't have one?

[loaf]

Because then the boss would be over powered. It's pointless in having a superboss if you can't even beat it.

Dude, anything from Dissidia is not connected to any Final Fantasy. Shinryu is not a summon, only in Dissidia.

[Angel of Iniquity]

Because then the boss would be over powered. It's pointless in having a superboss if you can't even beat it.

Dude, anything from Dissidia is not connected to any Final Fantasy. Shinryu is not a summon, only in Dissidia.

Yea I know, just attempting to make sense lol.

I think they should put storys in any thing out the norm.
Yazmat? I want to know why he exists, same with vercingetorix and Omega.

[loaf]

Why? The developers decided to put them in the game. Your question is answered.

The FFXIII superboss, well there should be an explanation for that one in the C'ieth Stone or whatever it is.

[Angel of Iniquity]

Because there doesn't seem to be another reason other than a random legendary or something. If there was even a slight backstory, it would make the fight more interesting.
On the other post, Xanatos linked a page from Wiki that seems to support my Idea on Omega, being built for Shinryu, but...
Idk, Maybe Superbosses should now be DLC because, they aren't given enough spotlight.

[loaf]

Their spotlight is the challenge.

Shinryu and Omega were brought into the series in the same game, in the same area, the Rift. With Xan's idea of Shinryu just going after Omega, who knows.

Yiazmat
"One Deity among Dragons, One great Wyrm to rule all Wyrms of the World, by the Creator Himself created. Legend says it is an Anima, Guardian to a Sacred Blade. Though most sacred among its Kind, its great Power drove it to Madness, and in the End, it became a Threat to its own Creator. His Master was killed by Yiazmat, robbing Montblanc of all Joy in Life, and he would have Revenge." - From FFXII

Also Yiazmat killed Montblanc's mentor.

[HUNK]

Well, whoes montablancs mentor? Answere that and you've got a backstroy.

(Actually, mayhap Marche from FFTA is his mentor. Think about it, Montablanc and Marche were in the same guild which could have easily evolved into the clan on FFXII. Hmm......)

What about the boss from FFXI? Isn't there a side quest that literally takes 24hrs to beat? That kind of beast shouldn't even exsist if you ask me. Seriously!

I think the weapons should stay just for nastalgias sake. I've been getting owned by them since I was like 6. It's all in good fun though. We can't have people bragging about how "I totally owned that game!" like this is some call of duty title or somthing.

[loaf]

Montblanc created the Clan because his mentor was killed. Montblanc and his siblings had the same mentor, he taught them the ways of the world.

[Diamond Dust]

Sorry to detract from the run of topic, but was/will it ever be possible to take on Titan from FFXIII? And would he/she qualify as the ultimate superboss if so?

[loaf]

There is only the Titan Trials, you don't fight the fal'Cie Titan.

[Angel of Iniquity]

OH that would be awesome but, would you really want to fight something that ate an adamantoise andplays with humbabas for fun?

[Diamond Dust]

Personally, no! I would however sacrifice the lives of the FFXIII cast to try to do the job on my behalf though!

It's quite difficult to even put a scale on Titan as he's just so damn big. Put him up against a hoard of Vercingetorix first though, just to see how he goes.

[Angel of Iniquity]

Personally, no! I would however sacrifice the lives of the FFXIII cast to try to do the job on my behalf though!

It's quite difficult to even put a scale on Titan as he's just so damn big. Put him up against a hoard of Vercingetorix first though, just to see how he goes.

Well, I don't think Vercingetorix can light a candle to him.
Taking that Long gui and the adamantoise are about the same size, and Long gui to me is harder, he should be able to eat Longuis and play with Vercingetorix lol

[Diamond Dust]

Ah yes, and I agree if it was just one but a bee like hoard of them!

And with that said anyway, it doesn't instil me with much faith for a party of 3 humans to take him down.

He's coming! *squelch*

[Angel of Iniquity]

Ah yes, and I agree if it was just one but a bee like hoard of them!

And with that said anyway, it doesn't instil me with much faith for a party of 3 humans to take him down.

He's coming! *squelch*

LOL
Actually it would be awesome if you can't fight allot of the pulsian fal'cie, Like atomos, tho he squash you too. Bismark surprised me when I seen him in the springs, i thought I was gunna fight but no...>.>

[Diamond Dust]

Which one was Bismark?

[Angel of Iniquity]

Which one was Bismark?

I think he is a "secret" cutscene inside the sulvya springs. In the part with all the sahagins and little thingies, next to the water, go as close to the water as possible, there will be a cutscene.

[Diamond Dust]

I just found him and the cutscene on YouTube. I don't remember seeing that in the game, I must have completely missed it. Cheers!

YouTube - Final Fantasy XIII: Bismarck Cutscene- Fal'cie in Sulya Springs (English) (HD)

[Locke4God]

I agree with several of the early posts here, that the Super Bosses main function is to add challenge to the game for those who seek to experience more in the game or to take on a truly challenging battle.

I think a common misconception with FF is general is that the games are made with the intent for you to do everything. To the contrary they are made for you to not do everything, so that you have options about what you do or don't want to do. Things like superbosses don't have much backstory, because they are appendages of the game, and I kinda think the abiquity that they are just ancient powerful creatures is more intriquing than it is an easy answer. It makes them mysterious. Like Omega in FFX. They have answers, but they aren't deeply fleshed out. I love it.

[loaf]

Omega was a monk of Yevon 700 years prior to the events of Final Fantasy X. The maesters of Yevon branded Omega a traitor after he rebelled and exiled him off Spira's mainlands onto some small island ruins. Omega's hatred for Yevon grew so great and intense that when he died, he transformed into the fearsome monster known as "Omega Weapon", as well as spawning the lesser beast known as "Ultima Weapon".

The islands he was sent to die on were titled the Omega Ruins.

All your really need to know about Omega in FFX.

[nickness89]

Yazmat? I want to know why he exists, same with vercingetorix

Yiazmat is an ancient Wyrm that Montblanc's master died trying to defeat, hence why Montblanc founded Clan Centurio, to find a warrior capable of killing it.

Vercingetorix was a L'Cie, but was fuelled by rage at his branding, and refused and loathed his focus, therefore never turned into a C'eth stone, he just stayed as an Undying, a C'eth that lives on purely on negative emotions hell-bent on revenge. It's all explaine in the Datalog.

[Angel of Iniquity]

Yiazmat is an ancient Wyrm that Montblanc's master died trying to defeat, hence why Montblanc founded Clan Centurio, to find a warrior capable of killing it.

Vercingetorix was a L'Cie, but was fuelled by rage at his branding, and refused and loathed his focus, therefore never turned into a C'eth stone, he just stayed as an Undying, a C'eth that lives on purely on negative emotions hell-bent on revenge. It's all explaine in the Datalog.

But what is Yazmat and why does he exist if he is that powerful to have the power limiters around his neck?

And Vercingetorix is nothing more than a throw away, I won't consider him a super boss, but I will say there is little backstory to any of them.

Hell, at least Long gui makes sense, and shaolong gui was harder than them all.

[markandrewkinzett]

I am not sure in this subject I don't think it is necessary to give a story to these boss enemies to me it is just a test to see how good a player you think you are and for people who like a challenge (i relish a challenge!) to have fun with it I don't care too much where they come from I just want to enjoy beating there ass and being able to say cool I am good at this game!!!

[nickness89]

I am not sure in this subject I don't think it is necessary to give a story to these boss enemies to me it is just a test to see how good a player you think you are and for people who like a challenge (i relish a challenge!) to have fun with it I don't care too much where they come from I just want to enjoy beating there ass and being able to say cool I am good at this game!!!

Yeah, this is basically the idea. The superbosses have a limited backstory because they aren't essential to the main storyline of a game. They are there as an extra for you to grind experience to be able to defeat. I love extras and superbosses, I DESPISE games that are linear and take a day to complete.

However, I would like to see, someday, a Final Fantasy which has a superboss as the main boss at the end. It would mean everyone would have to grind to be able to defeat it, and a hard boss at the end of a game would make more sense than the endgame bosses so far: hellbent on destruction or rule of a planet, then when you fight them it's over in a matter of ten minutes at most.

[nickness89]

Bismark was the whale-like Fal'Cie that you see in Sulya Springs. You examine the whirlpool in the water and he appears, and you find out he is the Fal'Cie responsible for using water to (epicly slowly) erode the Sulya Springs into an ecosystem (I think, correct me if i'm wrong).