The overall top Main characters in FF?

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Originally Posted by Heartless Angel

If we're going by game mehcanics, Auron demolishes anyone from I-IX. Sphere grid allows for anyone to max out ay stat, learn any ability, and X characters can break damage and HP limit lol.

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Eh... ahh.... yep LOL
lets not go by game stats cause that also means lightning has over 10x the strength o.o

LOL
Yeh, then who would be the weakest? I would vote for Tidus honestly, he has strength to pick up that sword sure, and he has excellent oxygene control for holdin his breath that long, but that just equates to heightened strength and endurance, he also has agility but, not in compared to others.
Him and vaan I would say are lowest, I also despise Lightning so by fanboysim, she is the worst.

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Originally Posted by o0Odin0o

Eh... ahh.... yep LOL
lets not go by game stats cause that also means lightning has over 10x the strength o.o

LOL
Yeh, then who would be the weakest? I would vote for Tidus honestly, he has strength to pick up that sword sure, and he has excellent oxygene control for holdin his breath that long, but that just equates to heightened strength and endurance, he also has agility but, not in compared to others.
Him and vaan I would say are lowest, I also despise Lightning so by fanboysim, she is the worst.

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Assuming you mean who would fall first....i'd probably agree too (about Tidus) sure he's got decent strength, speed etc but he doesnt have the experience, battle-wise, of some other 'main' characters despite learning how to use his sword quickly. (this is based on main characters, including others would probably have a different answer.)

Mine would be:

-Cecil (IV) - Always strongest in my party (very fast paced,counters and covers) - the ultimate team member.
-Terra (VI) - Always my strongest mage, with morph she kills
-Cloud (VII) - Strong fighter and a good mage.
-Squall (VIII) - With Darkside and R1 trigger he's overpowered always :P, him limit break is my best attack in the game, i kill Omega Weapon in few rounds.
(Basically i think every main character is awesome except Tidus i don't think is that great, not better than Auron and Kimahri. And Vaan totally sucks, he's always 10-20 levels behind cause i never use him :P)

Also not main i think is really effective
-Irvine (VIII) - His best bullets in limit break are devastating, i cast Aura on him and with Squall and a supporter, the team is invincible.
-Beatrix (IX) - Her Seiken skills are extraordinary and is a white mage as well.

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Originally Posted by Squall-Lelouch

Ah sorry bout that, let's see if I can do a quick summary then.

Most Powerful - obviously still Terra (read my previous post)

Smarts - Honestly I can't think of any *main* characters from any FF game with smarts, most of them are just lucky to have what they need to do shining like a star above the North Pole. But if I *Had* to choose, I'm gonna go with Zidane from FFIX. He's the closest thing I can think of, in the game he did do some rather interesting things despite his wild personality, somewhat more sophisticated things than other characters of the series so Yeah Zidane is my smarts pick.

Tough - Still Squall (see previous post)

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Hmm, how about this then, let's open it up to all characters, well good characters that are in the possible party. I still say rinoa, your guys thoughts?

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Originally Posted by o0Odin0o

Hmm, how about this then, let's open it up to all characters, well good characters that are in the possible party. I still say rinoa, your guys thoughts?

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Rinoa! Based on what, gameplay? I say gameplay as during the game she was far from strongest character in Final Fantasy VIII. If you're leaning on her limit breaks, and character customization via junction system, just know that any character can be made almost invincible with proper settings, not to mention that Selphie can kill any opponent including Omega Weapon, and Ultimecia with her Limit Break "The End".

Bah, Selphie needs a Limit Break? Vincent farts in your general direction.

Rinoa gets Adels sorceresses powers >.>
Plus her special limit break which is canon, her magic is at 255.
I'm going by story.

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Originally Posted by Heartless Angel

Bah, Selphie needs a Limit Break? Vincent farts in your general direction.

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That's a GS right?
How can you have death status effect on bosses without cheating..?


Btw Rinoa rocks, i use her and Selphie as mages and the others basically as fighters.
The only limit breaks i use are Squall's,Irvine and Quistis. I would use Zell's but for some reason it didn't work on my PS3, that was the only glitch of the game i knew about, still i could easily use someone else for main power. He did 9999 in damage as anyone else though, i use him for casting Aura and other supportive magic as well.

Nope, Just Death Penalty. It inflicts Death in an Odin fashion rather than the actual ailment. Nothing is mmune when it works lol.

What?? Isn't that his ultimate weapon?
I use it all the time D:
Guess you need 255 luck status for it work?
I don't remember it ever having death effect :o

I only played the PAL version btw

Actually it's a big based on how the weapon works. I'm not sure if it worls in the NA version or not. But once you kill like, 65536 enemies or something like that, the thing can end up hitting in the millions, even when it's showing small numbers like that. It's not even so much death as 'hidden' damage which pretty much ensures instant death of enemies the bug works on. Though unfortunately it doesn't work on Ruby. There might be other things immune to it too.

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Originally Posted by Zidane77

What?? Isn't that his ultimate weapon?
I use it all the time D:
Guess you need 255 luck status for it work?
I don't remember it ever having death effect :o

I only played the PAL version btw

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The reason is because the Ultimate Weapons of each character had secret benefits that most people ignored. Aside from Cloud's Ultima Weapon, of course.

For example: Barret's Missing Score is related to the number of Materia you add to it (so if you have all 8 Materia, it should do maximum damage). In the case of Death Penalty, it increases in power based on the amount of people that have been killed since Vincent is around. I recall there was a glitch that caused Death Penalty to deal obscene amounts of damage, hence pretty much one-shotting everything. So no, it's not GameShark, but a bug in the system (or something working exactly right).

It's like saying you're using GS because Selphie can kill anything with The End.

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Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

The reason is because the Ultimate Weapons of each character had secret benefits that most people ignored. Aside from Cloud's Ultima Weapon, of course.

For example: Barret's Missing Score is related to the number of Materia you add to it (so if you have all 8 Materia, it should do maximum damage). In the case of Death Penalty, it increases in power based on the amount of people that have been killed since Vincent is around. I recall there was a glitch that caused Death Penalty to deal obscene amounts of damage, hence pretty much one-shotting everything. So no, it's not GameShark, but a bug in the system (or something working exactly right).

It's like saying you're using GS because Selphie can kill anything with The End.

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Eh ok you're pointing the pretty obvious but thanks for trying :p
I know how the ultimate weapons work, just wasn't sure that Death Penalty could go hidden over 9999.
That is news to me.

It's not like Selphie because her move is total annihilation no matter the opposition, Vincent's gun you have to power up and like Heartless angel said it doesn't work on everything.
But yeah i understand the concept.

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Originally Posted by Heartless Angel

Actually it's a big based on how the weapon works. I'm not sure if it worls in the NA version or not. But once you kill like, 65536 enemies or something like that, the thing can end up hitting in the millions, even when it's showing small numbers like that. It's not even so much death as 'hidden' damage which pretty much ensures instant death of enemies the bug works on. Though unfortunately it doesn't work on Ruby. There might be other things immune to it too.

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Ok that makes more sense, although i've killed enemies for hours with Vincent and he's still hasn't gone over 5000 with that gun, i change to a different one and that does 9999 :P
But yeah 65536 is a lot, just taking Emerald with that is still crazy :P
How many hours of grinding xD

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Originally Posted by Zidane77

Ok that makes more sense, although i've killed enemies for hours with Vincent and he's still hasn't gone over 5000 with that gun, i change to a different one and that does 9999 :P
But yeah 65536 is a lot, just taking Emerald with that is still crazy :P
How many hours of grinding xD

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Hmm, since vincent is damn strong, including Chaos. Would you consider him atop three in the strongest?

I think I should put a Magic user, to Physical user, to Job user class cause, it's not fair to compare them.

So Magic user- Rinoa followed by Tina
Physical- Squall, Cloud, maybe cecil or WOL. I hate lightning so no her.
Job class- Bartz then Luneth. I chose bartz cause he has the most jobs in existence.

Some general corrections on Rinoas Angel Wing limit Break it does not raise her magic to 255 it increases the magic stat by 5x which in essence is better. In this way with a 255 magic under AW she will have 1275 magic!

Using the magic damage formula for FFVIII which is...

* Indicates multiplication, / indicates division.

Casters Magic + Spell Power = Damage
Damage * [( 265 - Target Spr)] / 4 = Damage
Damage * Spell Power / 256 + RND Variance + Elemental Weakness or Resistance if any = Total damage.

Using this formula with 255 magic and Meltdown(vit&spr0) casted on the enemy each Meteor in Meteor will do about 1200-1500 damage multiply that by 10 and each Meteor cast will do about 14000 damage or 42000 damage if Tripled!!!

By the way here are the Spell Power values of the Spells in FFVIII...

Fire, Thunder, Blizzard = 18
Aero = 22
Fira, Thundara, Blizzara = 24
Drain&Water = 26
Bio = 30
Meltdown = 32
Firaga, Thundaga, Blizzaga = 35
Tornado = 38
Quake = 40
Holy&Flare = 48
Ultima = 80
Apocalypse = 120
Meteor = 20, however since 10 meteors hit the target it makes it more powerful than any spell.

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Originally Posted by Dark Serge

Some general corrections on Rinoas Angel Wing limit Break it does not raise her magic to 255 it increases the magic stat by 5x which in essence is better. In this way with a 255 magic under AW she will have 1275 magic!

Using the magic damage formula for FFVIII which is...

* Indicates multiplication, / indicates division.

Casters Magic + Spell Power = Damage
Damage * [( 265 - Target Spr)] / 4 = Damage
Damage * Spell Power / 256 + RND Variance + Elemental Weakness or Resistance if any = Total damage.

Using this formula with 255 magic and Meltdown(vit&spr0) casted on the enemy each Meteor in Meteor will do about 1200-1500 damage multiply that by 10 and each Meteor cast will do about 14000 damage or 42000 damage if Tripled!!!

By the way here are the Spell Power values of the Spells in FFVIII...

Fire, Thunder, Blizzard = 18
Aero = 22
Fira, Thundara, Blizzara = 24
Drain&Water = 26
Bio = 30
Meltdown = 32
Firaga, Thundaga, Blizzaga = 35
Tornado = 38
Quake = 40
Holy&Flare = 48
Ultima = 80
Apocalypse = 120
Meteor = 20, however since 10 meteors hit the target it makes it more powerful than any spell.

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O.O
Holy hell lol.
HAHA! RINOAS STRONGER THEN YOUR DICKS!
*fanboy dance*

And the cool thing is, you can junction Ultima to her magic, and Meteor to her HP, and she will use either of them lol.

It would be great to cast Triple before hand or use Cerberus.

Edit: I meant *THAN YOUR PICKS*, not your dicks...>.>

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Originally Posted by o0Odin0o

O.O
Holy hell lol.
HAHA! RINOAS STRONGER THEN YOUR PICKS!
*fanboy dance*

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Least until someone from X comes by and hits twice that with one hit ;]

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Originally Posted by Heartless Angel

Least until someone from X comes by and hits twice that with one hit ;]

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o.o
Not fair lol

That means FF13 wins by default o.o

Nahh, she still wins. She does cause I say so and I'm in a good mood so, SHE WINS!

One more thing under AW since her magic will be 1275 if she has 255 base magic her Meteor will be even more powerful. Under AW with 1275 magic each Meteor will do about 6800-7400 damage multiply that by 10 and that is about 70000 damage per Meteor Cast by Rinoa. Since her speed is also increased dramatically under AW she will get moves in before anyone else as well. In my FFVIII game I have my characters basic stats HP, STR, VIT, MAG, and SPR all maxed without junctions using the Mega-Potion Tick and Left Diamond girl on the Ragnarok in disk 4. In this way I can then give each of my 6 characters 2-3 GFs at all times. So all my characters have spd, eva, and luck junctions and Elem attack elem Defensex4 as well as St-Attack and ST-Defx4 and Hit is also spread smartly. Anyway my Rinoa has 255 stats minus luck and spd without Junctions 169 spd 29% eva 137% hit and 62 luck and absorbs fire, ice and thunder and only take 10% damage from all other elements. She also is immune to Berserk, Confuse, Death Status and Petrify she also has Drain on her ST-AT. I also have her set up with Auto-Haste and Initiative. With this even gameplay wise she may be able to kill FFX characters.

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Originally Posted by Dark Serge

One more thing under AW since her magic will be 1275 if she has 255 base magic her Meteor will be even more powerful. Under AW with 1275 magic each Meteor will do about 6800-7400 damage multiply that by 10 and that is about 70000 damage per Meteor Cast by Rinoa. Since her speed is also increased dramatically under AW she will get moves in before anyone else as well. In my FFVIII game I have my characters basic stats HP, STR, VIT, MAG, and SPR all maxed without junctions using the Mega-Potion Tick and Left Diamond girl on the Ragnarok in disk 4. In this way I can then give each of my 6 characters 2-3 GFs at all times. So all my characters have spd, eva, and luck junctions and Elem attack elem Defensex4 as well as St-Attack and ST-Defx4 and Hit is also spread smartly. Anyway my Rinoa has 255 stats minus luck and spd without Junctions 169 spd 29% eva 137% hit and 62 luck and absorbs fire, ice and thunder and only take 10% damage from all other elements. She also is immune to Berserk, Confuse, Death Status and Petrify she also has Drain on her ST-AT. I also have her set up with Auto-Haste and Initiative. With this even gameplay wise she may be able to kill FFX characters.

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Strictly in terms of game mechanics, unlikely. First strike/initiative on a character with break damage limit can kill Rinoa in one shot, just because of the fact that her hp caps at 9999. Also, since an X character can HP cap at 99999, even if Rinoa gets the jump. an X character can survive the attack, THEN one shot her. Squall on the other hand, if he gets the jump with a Lionheart, you're screwed even with 99999 hp. So Rinoa really isn't even the strongest in VIII.

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Originally Posted by Heartless Angel

Strictly in terms of game mechanics, unlikely. First strike/initiative on a character with break damage limit can kill Rinoa in one shot, just because of the fact that her hp caps at 9999. Also, since an X character can HP cap at 99999, even if Rinoa gets the jump. an X character can survive the attack, THEN one shot her. Squall on the other hand, if he gets the jump with a Lionheart, you're screwed even with 99999 hp. So Rinoa really isn't even the strongest in VIII.

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lol
FF13 characters can hit for 999,999, and their stats can skyward lol
My fang had 5335 attack.

But that's not fair.

In terms of gameplay, I would say that Zell is the strongest in FF8, cause his armageddon fist can hit up pretty damn high if your good at it lol
Oh and.

If you were to devour Malboros and stuff, you wouldn't really need to junction magic to base stats. My squall honestly can not be hit by phsicall, magic does about 50-250 damage, I attack 5-8 times before most enemies, (which is how I beat Omega solo), if they somehow hit me, it would be about 50-300 damage, and my magic always hits above 5000.

That brings up another question. Game wise. Terra can't hurt Characters who have a good development. She can try magic but, like I said, it does no damage, or not enough damage to count lol.

Now in real life terms, that may also be present. Materia is real in FF7, junctioning is real in FF8 and so on, meaning that the in game combos may be pressent if they were to meet. Plus Eden beats all... other than cheat bahamut... Exa flare... really?

EDIT: Oh and, what if Rinoa had first strike and prevent back attack (forgot what it's named).
She would go first, and if her spd is 255, which I came close to with Spd 50% and 30%(I think), which was about 230, then she would kill. But then again, Meteor is an area attac, as in all characters won't be hit equal.

Rinoa can act so quick before Squall could under her AW limit that he would die before he sets his Renzokuken up. Also his Lionheart is only a 25% chance while as Meteor Wing is 100% probable with only Meteors in her inventory.

Gameplay aside and considering all FF characters I know of using each of their stories logic. Which is what really only matters here.

FF1: WoL is a crystal bearer he can theoretically use White&Black magic and is Skilled with a Sword. Also he is fated and binded to Chaos as his counterpart to battle him. Chaos is a powerful being that can cause an immense Time-Loop and throw the worlds elements in turmoil. So the Warrior of Light has to be damn powerful to defeat him. The WoL also shows himself to be very smart as well.

FF2: Firion is an orphan that is skilled with all weaponry and gains the power of the greatest power in that games story which is Ultima. His foe he beats is essentially Satan as he overthrows Satan in Hell and is it's ruler. Emperor Madeus Palamecia is a powerful Dark Magician.

FFIV: Cecil is Half Lunarian and Half Human he is a skilled Knight with blades and can use some White magic to support himself. He also basically is a powerful mage as well in FFIV TAY as he uses Rods and can Twin Cast Ultima along with Golbez. In FFIV he is the only one that can defeat Zeromous the embodyment of all hatred in existence with the power of the Crystal. Also he becomes a Demi-God in TAY basically. So Cecil is supreme.

FFV: Butz is a Warrior of the Crystals that can have the powers of all fighting types theoretically. His opponent is EXdeath of who is a powerful Black Mage who almost mastered the power of the Void and can send entire countries to other demensions with a thought. Butz defeats him so Butz ranks to be very powerful as well.

FFVI: Terra is my favorite FF character ever, I love her very much. Anyway Terra is Half Esper Half Human she was able to defeat 300 Magitek Knights single handedly in only a matter of minutes in the beginning of the game. This was before her total Esper powers were even awakened and before she could even take on her Esper form at will. After she masters her power she is supremely powerful and Defeats a being like Kefka with lots of help mind you, of who caused the whole face of the Earth to change by his Light of Judgement.

FFVII: Cloud is a genetically enhanced super-SOLDIER and infused with MAKO he has limited flight and can harness the powers of Nature through Materia if he wills to. He also has superb defense because of JENOVA cells and can heal faster as result. His foe is Sephiroth of who shows to be very intelligent(besides always being overly cocky with Cloud and gets his butt beat for it) and he can Summon powerful Meteors. Though Meteor takes to long and cannot even destroy the Earth. Cloud semi-beats Sephiroth or at least halts him a few times.

FFVIII: Squall is a trained military operative with superhuman powers through the use of GFs power. He can uses Para-Magic a weaker version of the Magic that Sorceresses use and is very skilled at his weapon and he is very, very, very intelligent and tactical. His foe is a powerful Sorceress who can erase all existance with her TC magic. He is THE SeeD destined to face her and defeat her so Squall gets my vote as one of the top along with Rinoa who also becomes a powerful Sorcoress as well.

FFIX: Zidane is an alien Gnome created to be a destroyer of the entire civilization of the people on Gaia. However Kuja the one meant to train him abandoned him and did not train him in the use of magic like he was supposed to. Zidane starts off in the game weak and inexperienced in battle hence the fact he lost 3 times to a human though she was a powerful one. However after he gains fighting knoweledge and strength he surpasses everything in FFIX except for Ultimate Trance Kuja(after he absorbed multi-thousand souls and they all tranced in him along with his own soul trancing) were it not for Kujas foreign influence of power he would be way weaker than Zidane. Also in normal form Garland is more powerful than Zidane and Kuja; however UT Kuja and Trance Zidane surpass Garland. Zidane and co at least have the power to damage UT Kuja of who can destroy planets; however Zidane never defeats Kuja completely of his own power, Kuja suicide bombs the party with his Planet Destroying Ultima spell. Then Zidane must fight a powerful being like Necron after Kuja falls and Necron is the embodyment of all life&death since the beginning of the Iifa Trees creation. Zidane and co defeat Necron and cause the Iifa Tree to spazz out because Necron is the spiritual core function of the Iifa Tree. Garland said that when Kujas life is expired is when Zidane will reach full maturity and when Kuja dies that must be when Zidane reaches full maturity. When Zidane goes to find Kuja after Necron dies the entire power of the Iifa Tree collapses on Zidane and he survives unscathed; needless to say Zidane is super-zupper powerful and is probably the most powerful. Zidane shows to have smarts as a great leader of the team as well.

I have also played FFX however Tidus is nowhere near the others in story power so he will be unmentioned.

Here is what I believe the ranking is like.

Hero's:

1. Cecil&Terra&Zidane
2. Squall&Warrior of Light
3. Butz
4. Firion&Cloud

Foes:

1. Ultimecia&Zeromous&Ultimate Trance Kuja
2. Exdeath&Kefka&Chaos
3. Emperor
4. Sephiroth

Well here is my 2 cents.

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Originally Posted by Dark Serge

Here is what I believe the ranking is like.

Hero's:

1. Cecil&Terra&Zidane
2. Squall&Warrior of Light
3. Butz
4. Firion&Cloud

Foes:

1. Ultimecia&Zeromous&Ultimate Trance Kuja
2. Exdeath&Kefka&Chaos
3. Emperor
4. Sephiroth

Well here is my 2 cents.

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I'm not to sure about Cecil cause I can't really say his overall prowess as he doesn't seem to show any massive amounts of abilities or ingame attributes above average.
Tina is obviously strong, but we really can't see the full amount of Espers power. Are they comparable to others? Are they stronger than even FF4's? How about FF8? That's the only thing I have with her. I like her, but I like Celes more. I can't say about Zidane cause the game broke on the fourth disc o.o

I have another thread about the strongest villian and I would like to here more of your cents lol

The fact that heroes beat the villains doesn't nescessarily demonstrate their actual strength, since in almost ALL cases, they only win due to PIS. Without the power of plot behind them, almost all of the FF vilaisn would've been the winners. Look at all the early FF's, oh shit, the enemy is unbeatable?! Thank goodness with have the crystals containing just enough magical plot power to win anways in our back pockets! 7, thank goodness for Holy, planetary lifestream lasers, player distractions, and god knows how much luck coupled with Sephiroth not really trying, or our situation would've taken 'screwed' to a whole new level. 8, good thing we happen to have a sorceress whos unique ability just happens to be to allow us to ignore the negative effects of Time Compression as long as we have happy thoughts. 6, 9, and 10 were really the only games in which I can honestly say the heroes should've won based on their abilities.

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Originally Posted by Heartless Angel

The fact that heroes beat the villains doesn't nescessarily demonstrate their actual strength, since in almost ALL cases, they only win due to PIS. Without the power of plot behind them, almost all of the FF vilaisn would've been the winners. Look at all the early FF's, oh shit, the enemy is unbeatable?! Thank goodness with have the crystals containing just enough magical plot power to win anways in our back pockets! 7, thank goodness for Holy, planetary lifestream lasers, player distractions, and god knows how much luck coupled with Sephiroth not really trying, or our situation would've taken 'screwed' to a whole new level. 8, good thing we happen to have a sorceress whos unique ability just happens to be to allow us to ignore the negative effects of Time Compression as long as we have happy thoughts. 6, 9, and 10 were really the only games in which I can honestly say the heroes should've won based on their abilities.

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LOL
Just think happy thoughts. Happy beats all any day.

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Originally Posted by o0Odin0o

I'm not to sure about Cecil cause I can't really say his overall prowess as he doesn't seem to show any massive amounts of abilities or ingame attributes above average.
Tina is obviously strong, but we really can't see the full amount of Espers power. Are they comparable to others? Are they stronger than even FF4's? How about FF8? That's the only thing I have with her. I like her, but I like Celes more. I can't say about Zidane cause the game broke on the fourth disc o.o

I have another thread about the strongest villian and I would like to here more of your cents lol

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I would be glad to post in your other topic that would be fun!!!

Also at Heartless Angel I know there is a element of Fate behind their victories but the villains can also be a great indication of the Hero power as well.

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Originally Posted by o0Odin0o

O.O
Holy hell lol.
HAHA! RINOAS STRONGER THEN YOUR DICKS!
*fanboy dance*

And the cool thing is, you can junction Ultima to her magic, and Meteor to her HP, and she will use either of them lol.

It would be great to cast Triple before hand or use Cerberus.

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Originally Posted by Heartless Angel

Least until someone from X comes by and hits twice that with one hit ;]

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Originally Posted by o0Odin0o

o.o
Not fair lol

That means FF13 wins by default o.o

Nahh, she still wins. She does cause I say so and I'm in a good mood so, SHE WINS!

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Originally Posted by Dark Serge

One more thing under AW since her magic will be 1275 if she has 255 base magic her Meteor will be even more powerful. Under AW with 1275 magic each Meteor will do about 6800-7400 damage multiply that by 10 and that is about 70000 damage per Meteor Cast by Rinoa. Since her speed is also increased dramatically under AW she will get moves in before anyone else as well. In my FFVIII game I have my characters basic stats HP, STR, VIT, MAG, and SPR all maxed without junctions using the Mega-Potion Tick and Left Diamond girl on the Ragnarok in disk 4. In this way I can then give each of my 6 characters 2-3 GFs at all times. So all my characters have spd, eva, and luck junctions and Elem attack elem Defensex4 as well as St-Attack and ST-Defx4 and Hit is also spread smartly. Anyway my Rinoa has 255 stats minus luck and spd without Junctions 169 spd 29% eva 137% hit and 62 luck and absorbs fire, ice and thunder and only take 10% damage from all other elements. She also is immune to Berserk, Confuse, Death Status and Petrify she also has Drain on her ST-AT. I also have her set up with Auto-Haste and Initiative. With this even gameplay wise she may be able to kill FFX characters.

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Color me unsurprised. So Angel Wing multiplies your Magic stat by 500%, FFX characters routinely bypass the 9,999 mark and FF13 characters reach nearly the million?

I shudder at the idea of any FF group of characters just trying on ONE overlord. Laharl, Zetta, Mao, Priere...those guys have stats over the tens of thousands, HP by the millions and routinely deal millions of damage.

So yeah; color me unsurprised. If you're going by sheer mechanics, evidently you'll have a winner on latter games, if only because the limits on code are bypassed pretty easily. By the time you reach FF20 you'll see people routinely dealing damage by the billions, and your average enemy will have 1 trillion HP or something.

I'd rather go by ratios; that way, you can figure which are the strongest by means of how they'd compare if the hex limiter was released and an unified algorithm was used. Note that pretty much every single FF has a different damage, accuracy and defense algorithm, which tends to increase with each game (not sure about FFX, but the algorithms there had a definite ceiling because you couldn't get more hits from pretty much any spell).

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Edit: I meant *THAN YOUR PICKS*, not your dicks...>.>

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Freudian slip?

Now excuse me while I be a complete bastard and nominate Ramza Beoulve.

He has slain several demons and knights of far superior rank and ability than him, faced off against the wrath of a corrupt church, braved through another world, besting even more knights and defeated Super doom Jesus. what does he do for an encore? he cheats death and rides off into the sunset.

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Originally Posted by T.G. Oskar

Freudian slip?

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LMAO!
Good one you smart ass ^o^
Yep, FF13 characters hit above 99,999.
Actually, the most damage in a single move I have done was about 5-6 million with Fang. Multiple hit single attack tho lol

@ Antidrall
Oh and, well, allot of people in the FF history has cheated death numerous times.
Cloud when that city sector fell, Squall when he got pierced by the ice shard, Zidane at the end of the game, Auron said F U to death as well.

Also, About beating demons. FF7 had hades as a boss I believe ( I hope I'm right), FF2 had lucifur and beelzebub, FF9 also had a hades type enemy but I can't remember, and so on lol