FF began to suck balls?

[OutlawTorn]

I have played both. As stated I beat 9, it was what I'd use to introduce my 12 year old FF. Because they probably couldn't handle 1's graphics.

I didn't play XII, but I had the pleasure of snuggling with my ex as she played most of the game... I've also sat through Twight, Dear John, and Save the Last Dance... -_-

Moving on.

And if the "teen love" didn't spoil the entire 3 disc game for you, you might notice that it WAS the most mature, intellectually driven FF to date. It went way beyond Squall's love life, and hs quiet, closed off personality.

Maybe if you beat it again, you'll figure out those plot holes, remember the storyline, the role everyone played in it, and catch why Squall is so introverted.

He wasn't perfect... some people are tired of semi-flawed, do-gooder heroes mimicing perfection and saving the day with teamwork...

8 wasn't a fairy tale escape from reality. It was mundane, flawed, gritty... It took guts for the franchise, and the Cloud fanboys chastized it.

But it's their loss alone.

8 stands out as a unique, groundbreaking FF.

Compare 7's gamplay', sommon system, item system, magic system, and limit system to 8's...
7 had a better storyline pound for pound, that's it. Unless you like the simple, boring and limited materia system - which is fine. That's between YOU, and your FF.

Don't mock or belittle my opinion.

[Xanatos]

I have played both. As stated I beat 9, it was what I'd use to introduce my 12 year old FF. Because they probably couldn't handle 1's graphics.

I didn't play XII, but I had the pleasure of snuggling with my ex as she played most of the game... I've also sat through Twight, Dear John, and Save the Last Dance... -_-

Moving on.

Maybe if you beat it again, you'll figure out those plot holes, remember the storyline, the role everyone played in it, and catch why Squall is so introverted.

He wasn't perfect... some people are tired of semi-flawed, do-gooder heroes mimicing perfection and saving the day with teamwork...

8 wasn't a fairy tale escape from reality. It was mundane, flawed, gritty... It took guts for the franchise, and the Cloud fanboys chastized it.

But it's their loss alone.

8 stands out as a unique, groundbreaking FF.

Compare 7's gamplay', sommon system, item system, magic system, and limit system to 8's...
7 had a better storyline pound for pound, that's it. Unless you like the simple, boring and limited materia system - which is fine. That's between YOU, and your FF.

Don't mock or belittle my opinion.

No need to defend it's gameplay, as far as I'm concern VIII's junction system (while easily exploited) along with impressive number of summons and their role in this game are arguably the best franchise has ever seen.

However, to call this game groundbreaking is ridiculous to say the least and insulting to other games that actually managed to evolve the series. Final Fantasy VIII was nothing new for franchise, a lot of it's elements such as characters, out of which majority are carbon copy of each other in almost every possible way, are sadly inferior to those of previous games. Groundbreaking is a word used for games such as Final Fantasy IV and it's ATB system which was, still is revolutionary not just in Final Fantasy sense but entire RPG genre in general.

And if the "teen love" didn't spoil the entire 3 disc game for you, you might notice that it WAS the most mature, intellectually driven FF to date. It went way beyond Squall's love life, and hs quiet, closed off personality.

Mature? I was right to asume you never played Final Fantasy XII, and somehow I got this weird impresion you're mixing it with Final Fantasy XIII, either way I do sugest you give it a try, perhaps then you'll witness a truly mature and rather dark game not bound by those cliche elements Square kept forcing.

Intelectual? And what exactly is there intelectual about Final Fantasy VIII. Cheesy love teen story, perhaps a rather shallow villain lacking both personality and background up to the point that fans themselves came with a rather neat theory I have to say just to give her more depth. Perhaps all those characters with indentical and rather short background heavily overshadoved by both Squall and Rinoa...

but to be completly honest here I'm not sure why I'm discusing this with a guy who thinks IX is a game for kids (while I'm sure you're charmed by it's lighthearted design let's be honest, you never really reached disk 2), strangest thing though, out of all games in franchise he took arguably the darkest one, most mature one for sure (Final Fantasy XII), and lined it under "for teen girls", something to do with Barbie, to be honest would like clarification for this.