Favorite villain, and why from any final fantasy

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Anyway, Golbez is still the "main" villain in IV, even though he was manipulated by Zemus. The story is mostly focus on him and the manipulation was added to his villainous behavior.

Golbez is never the main villain. Never, ever. It's Zemus/Zeromus is the main villain.

Golbez is the main villain as much as Magus in Chrono Trigger is.

Alright. Black Armor so Garland is Darth Vader now.

Garland is the real Darth Vader Xan come on.

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Golbez is never the main villain. Never, ever. It's Zemus/Zeromus is the main villain.

Golbez is the main villain as much as Magus in Chrono Trigger is.

Alright. Black Armor so Garland is Darth Vader now.

Garland is the real Darth Vader Xan come on.

If you follow that logic, then the Emperor, not Kefka is the main villain.
Shinra, not Sephiroth, is the main villian.

I forgot his name, but he manipulated Kuja in IX.



The last time I check Gobelz is in Dissida and Dissisa 012. Not Zemus. He is the main antagonist in IV. Being manipulated doesn't change him to a protagonist (which it doesn't make any sense).

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Manipulation comes in different forms. Golbez was under total control, no will of his own while Anakin was pushed by mere suggestions, Palpatine simply entertained something that was already in him to begin with. In other words, Darth Vader did evil things on his own accord while Golbez did not. Not to mention Golbez and Darth Vader have quite different personalities.

I disagree.
The last time I checked Anakin became Darth Vader because he saw a dream that his wife and children dying (Episode III). Who put this dream in his mind? ...Palpatine. Similar fashion with Golbez. Maybe different way but it is still manipulation.



Both Gabranth and Anakin have tragic backstories, both betrayed that little bit of family they had left and went to the dark side, both serve under the Empire - the most powerfull nation/force in their respective universes, both hold highest military rank, even their attire is alike, not to mention the breathing issue Gabranth occasionally has while having his helmet on, both redeemed themselves in the end and had a change of heart, neither was initially evil... I could go on, though I feel this will be sufficient.[/QUOTE]

But big difference is that Gabranth wasn't manipulated. He served the empire by his choice. Also, Dark Vader didn't redeemed and Gabranth wasn't a war hero.

I don't see the connection. sorry.

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If you follow that logic, then the Emperor, not Kefka is the main villain.
Shinra, not Sephiroth, is the main villian.

By that very logic neither would be the main villain as both Sephiroth and Kefka were not manipulated, Kefka in particular who consistently defied his orders and acted completely on his own as can be seen multiple times during the game.

The last time I check Gobelz is in Dissida and Dissisa 012. Not Zemus. He is the main antagonist in IV. Being manipulated doesn't change him to a protagonist (which it doesn't make any sense).

Using your logic Gabranth is the main villain of FF XII simply because he appears in Dissidia instead of Vayne.

I disagree.
The last time I checked Anakin became Darth Vader because he saw a dream that his wife and children dying (Episode III). Who put this dream in his mind? ...Palpatine. Similar fashion with Golbez. Maybe different way but it is still manipulation.

I did mention there are several forms of manipulation, you know that. A dream, a false idea of what might happen is similar to having a character under complete and utter control against his own will... you winding me up?

But big difference is that Gabranth wasn't manipulated. He served the empire by his choice. Also, Dark Vader didn't redeemed and Gabranth wasn't a war hero.

I don't see the connection. sorry.

Who said anything about Gabranth being a war hero. I merely mentioned they both have high military rank, nothing more nothing less. Manipulation or not Gabranth shares far more resemblance to Darth Vader than Golbez ever will, and that's something you can not dispute. Darth Vader did in fact redeem himself if nothing else than in eyes of his son, he sacrificed himself to save his son and kill The Emperor and in a way fulfilled one of the old prophecies. Again, it's Darth Vader not Dark Vader, you sure you saw the movies?