I know, right!Originally Posted by o0Odin0o
That's what wrecked this game for me
VII
XII
Both are equally awesome
I know, right!
That's what wrecked this game for me
How do you guys even find games to enjoy when your SUPER PICKY... I mean voice comparison to rooms and stuff, are you kidding me??
Man and here I thought I was picky about characters being too much of a sissy...
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For me, it is too noticeable and takes away from the characters personalities.
That's why they are called opinions, personal facts that may or not maybe shared with others.
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I honestly didn't know that, my bad...
(Can you sense the sarcasm)
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Ahh, at least somebody else noticed it.I know, right!
That's what wrecked this game for me
I mean, FFX had correct reverb, well, good enough reverb.
And FF13 is a technical masterpiece so lol
Your pathetic existence will shut down. I will make your lives end in ruin. Fear me, as you fear death. Not a threat, not a promise, but what must be finished. 7 final arcs...
Another low quality Youtube video, far from experience the game itself offers, still not addressing the subject itself, and if there is indeed a valid source to your claims shouldn't you be the one providing the link, after all you made the claim, it's not up to me to back your words.
Educated Psychologist. Mighty fine title I'll have to say, certainly someone who would understand characters better than others, which is strange by the way, as you had difficulties understanding not just characters of Final Fantasy XII, some others as well, prime example would be villain discussion you had with me, and Heartless. To point the lack of emotions, then change your opinion the very second you saw my post is not something I expect from educated psychologist. Someone who is supposed to know the entire pallet of emotions, it was rather careless of you to point that you're only good at small part of such pallet. For intelligent, and educated person not to know difference between power, and strength...strange, rather strange.
I do apologize if you mistook my words, when I said it offered more freedom I really meant that. It has nothing to do with graphics, nor psychology, quite simply really, huge open spaces vs narrow corridors. Huge open spaces offer bigger field of movement, how hard is to understand that.
Compared to other entries in franchise, yes, it was somewhat challenging. You yourself pointed that challenge was there, you even cared to bring phoenix down's on table, now you claim there was no need for them, you sure do change your opinion rather fast, nothing new really.
As for the rest of your post, petty excuses are still there, funny, in another thread your excuse wasn't "schitzotypal personality syndrome", apparently your poor claims were there to test my knowledge, in another one when Heartless pined you down hard, you tested his knowledge as well but this time as a mean to learn more. To be consistent in your claims, not bad path, you should certainly try it.
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Well, haven't you thought that I maybe didn't want anybody to know about this personality disorder?
And again, that plays a MAJOR role in everything I say.
Low quality? What, you want me to find an none CGI cutscene that is of high quality? That is hard.
You can't do a psychology profile on characters that do not have a full conscious. You, in all reality, look extremely arrogant with every post you... post. You seem a little "effected" by the persona of Kuja, you act alike in your snotty little narcissistic ways of talking.
Was your life at a low point when you played FF9? Was the game your only means of fun and interaction away from the stress of life? All @$$holeness aside.
You bring up strength and power. You know they can be numerous things.
In kyokushin, it can be... strength= the amount your body and physically change, while power can be the amount of force your body can extrude, meaning the terms of power I stated, were clearly not the ones you are "isolated" in.
You bring up yet again the phoenix downs and don't read what I say in entirely.
I said at the first play through I beat the game without many problems, so there isn't any need for the amount I use, get it together you ****ing prick.
Just face it, FF9 was your only friend and so you grew attached to it. Same with FF12. Get your life out of this slump and get your shit together prissy boy, your worst than cloud and vaan.
Instead of nit picking around and choosing what to "pick on" and what not to, read the whole thing you insolence whore.
Is this reason for a warning probably. So be it, but I will let them understand something if they give me a warning and not an equal warning for you.
Don't respond to this, I won't respond back, and you will just prove my plight, being your egotistical brain. Get a life.
In fact, I'll let an admin or Moderator read this.
Your pathetic existence will shut down. I will make your lives end in ruin. Fear me, as you fear death. Not a threat, not a promise, but what must be finished. 7 final arcs...
You two dragged it over 3 pages.
It's amazing how strongly someone can feel about such a simple question.
FFVII is still better in every way though.
Especially the characters, I'm sure you can think of lots of 'facts' to contridict this but...XII's characters are very 2d.
Not to mention they're all brown. Brown hair, brown eyes, brown clothes. And i agree, the're voices sound 'canned' in some scenes which really bugs me. XII is a great game but cant really hold a candle to VII in some aspects.
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Yeah are you kidding me, it's pretty obvious, if you aren't one of psx generation or starting playing FF recently, i understand that those people like XII better because it has better graphics and makes more sense to those that didn't play psx or just FF before the year 2000.
But the obvious answer is that FFVII is way way way superior and shouldn't be compared.
This whole thread is funny and doesn't make sense to me, XII is a dandy game but leave it at it's point. It got nothing on the earlier games, except the battle mode and stuff like that which is pretty awesome. But game needs to have alot more than graphics and battle system, and sadly that's what Square has been focusing on the most recently, in my opinion.
Edit: And i agree somewhat with the voice acting, it was pretty unimpressive and not captivating at all,most of the time.
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VII > XII
Reasons being,
Battles System: Materia usage and skill growth, not to mention combination tactics really made it fun to use. This also sported an easier and much more time efficient manner for gaining money as you progressed. Also, I'll add the fact that each character used a single weapon making them more unique so to speak. In XII, every character could use every weapon, and although I did like using gambits and equipping characters just to see how they fight with different weapons, the battle system was just awful to me. Chaining what was supposed to be a character's signature special with others was okay, but when you have to do that for every boss fight or overpowered Mark and find that they suddenly stop linking, you realize battling them isn't as fun anymore because you didn't kill 'em with your "overdrives." I'd say this was what really killed XII for me, that and the tedious license board. My friend, whom looked up ways to make his guys stronger, had a much easier time. Honestly, if I wanted to cheat and make things easy for myself, I would've done the same thing. To those of you who want to do everything without searching where you need to be or how to make easy money or how to get the best gear, good luck in grinding for 1234345074 hours.
Character depth:
I'm not even going to get too far into this, as most of you should be able to tell there's a huge difference between the two. VII's characters all had a story, and at some point in the game, you get to experience their past which explains their feelings for the present situation at any point in the game. This helped to understand them better, and made them more diverse in both personality design and entertainment. If you want an intelligent character who likes to think himself more mature than the rest, take a look at Red XIII. But if gun-ho do it yourself characters with sailor mouths are more your liking, give Cid a try. XII didn't deliver nearly as well in that aspect being that, as already mentioned before, you only really saw the "tip of the iceberg" when they could've gotten much deeper. As far as I'm concerned, everyone but Vaan and Penelo had an actual story for themselves. There wasn't a main character focus either, but if I had to choose who would fit that title it would've been Ashe or Basch.
Story plot:
This is about the only thing I'll give to XII saying that it did at least perform well here. Although I admit to haven't beating the game yet (got to where you meet Cid for the first time, the good one, not bad one), the story felt solid and the reasoning behind the bad guys actions actually made sense. To be honest, a guy who sits in the library for a few days and does nothing but read just to go insane because he finds a secret, which honestly has had NO effect on his current lifestyle at that time nor with his upbringing, causes him to suddenly have the hugest desire for righteous vengeance. Not exactly the best way to create an antagonist in my opinion. And if you want to bring spin-offs into the picture, fine. To make a spin-off of a game several years later -after- so many people have dug deeply into its storyline is a huge mistake. Making a plot off a side character is just a way to milk more money out of fans, and a good way to confuse the original story. They did plenty for Zack's character, but that just changed my opinion completely about Aeris in that thinking she's a bitch, rather than an innocent flower seller for thinking of her "ex boyfriend" more as a brother. Dirge of Cerberus went into Vincent's past story, but what about Zangan the karate teacher of Tifa? Nothing for that guy? I mean, his importance in the story was only slightly less important than Zack's in the original game, but they could've definitely done something for him! Poor old guy being overlooked because of popular demand.
Overall, if I was to say which I enjoyed better and found more depth into the main guys you're stuck looking at for the entire game, I'd say VII wins hands down. However, if you want things to be difficult as far as progression goes, you should play XII instead. The difficulty comparison for progression between the games is just ridiculous if you choose not to look at guides. It's like choosing between easy mode(VII) and hard mode(XII).
@o0Odin0o - You werent lying after all, you are into psychology of anger, nice demonstration. Those who can't back their own words, nor think of a good comeback often reach for insults as a mean to respond, but I'm sure you learned that in psychology school.
Still, same thing didn't stop you from claiming to understand character emotions better than others, because apparently you're psychologist.You can't do a psychology profile on characters that do not have a full conscious.
It doesn't have to be video at all, solid article addressing the issue would be sufficient. Since you know difference between strength, and power I'll assume you wrote nonsense on purpose in one of your threads, testing someone's intelligence perhaps?
One of your quotes, first time you mentioned phoenix down's I believe.
Your own words as to how you made the game less challenging.All you really have to do is buy allot of phoenix downs, which I had 99 before I escaped the prison.
Well yes, I do look up to Kuja at some degree, he has manners, and tends to be perfect gentleman, so I'll take that as a compliment. I would like to quote one of the members here on TFF, "there's nothing funnier, but to see someone get owned by his own words", a somewhat shorter version of that, in words you can understand, "you took a dump, and ate your own shit". It was entertaining nevertheless, I had laugh or two.
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You insolent little...
I'm giving you a final warning NOT to judge my intellect anymore, and I am VERY serious.
You just can't handle the fact that FF7 is better than your beloved FF9 and 12. You obviously have a different understanding of texts than others.
Don't reply, seriously, punk.
Your pathetic existence will shut down. I will make your lives end in ruin. Fear me, as you fear death. Not a threat, not a promise, but what must be finished. 7 final arcs...
Seriously mate, every time you make a post like that doing nothing but flaming and asserting yourself as a superior, all you're doing is dramatically undermining your own intelligence. He doesn't NEED to insult it, you're doing that for him.
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I have shown valid claims behind all of them, insults like, "i don't have time to play with you" or other arrogant visages are insults, I have been fairly respectful, inhibiting my anger for several posts till then.
**** you fanboys, I'm off.
Your pathetic existence will shut down. I will make your lives end in ruin. Fear me, as you fear death. Not a threat, not a promise, but what must be finished. 7 final arcs...
I think you summed it up best. Playing a final fantasy game to me is about going on an adventure, accomplishing tasks(like saving the world). It is the the people you're with that really makes a difference(in this case, characters in a story). The characters have to be good, believable and solid. FFVII's characters had good solid believeable motivations and peronalities, XII's sure their motivations and character personalties were there, but they seemed a bit unbelieveable or unreal.
The characters were the worst part of the XII story. Best two words I can think of to describe them would be bland and forgettable. Not to say they were completely horrible, but by no means up to FF standards. When playing any of the earlier FF fr the first time, I'd miss a night or two of sleep, just because I needed to know what happened next. In XII, I really didn't care, the story just completely failed to wrap my interest. It wasn't straight up bad, but again nowhere near what I've come to expect from a Final Fantasy.
Gameplay, that's mostly just personal preference, and personally, I thought it was ****ing terrible. Not to say I'm totally against any and all changes to the system, I-X I loves every one of, because they changes were good. There is a tremendous difference between change and improvement. Recent FF's have certainly been changes, but not improvements.
For Our Lord Sheogorath, without Whom all Thought would be linear and all Feeling would be fleeting. Blessed are the Madmen, for they hold the keys to secret knowledge. Blessed are the Phobic, always wary of that which would do them harm. Blessed are the Obsessed, for their courses are clear. Blessed are the Addicts, may they quench the thirst that never ebbs. Blessed are the Murderous, for they have found beauty in the grotesque. Blessed are the Firelovers, for their hearts are always warm. Blessed are the Artists, for in their hands the impossible is made real. Blessed are the Musicians, for in their ears they hear the music of the soul. Blessed are the Sleepless, as they bask in wakeful dreaming. Blessed are the Paranoid, ever-watchful for our enemies. Blessed are the Visionaries, for their eyes see what might be. Blessed are the Painlovers, for in their suffering, we grow stronger. Blessed is the Madgod, who tricks us when we are foolish, punishes us when we are wrong, tortures us when we are unmindful, and loves us in our imperfection.
I agree, the characters weren't much believeable and it wasn't the same as earlier games, changes but not improvement.
I don't even consider this game like a FF actually, more like a spin-off.
That helps playing the game.
I actually think XI,XII and XIV shoulda been left out of the serie, in my opinion.
With all those extra FF games (Tactics etc), those shoulda been one of them,a different serie if you will (Maybe Ivalice serie) simply because they don't have the same feel to it as the others.
That's kindof how I felt. but it does have alot of characteristics of final fantasy (no need to list them, we know what they are)
I agree about 14 too, I haven't played it, but I don't think 11 and 14 should have been given number. it messes everything up, especially in the future when the servers dont exist anymore and there will forever be holes in the series.
Though, I think 9 fits final fantasy well.
I've never played any of the spin offs.
Xanatos, we get it, you're the smartest person here. Leave o0Odin0o alone.
o0Odin0o, you should know it doesn't matter what you say by now. It just has to be contradicted so the other guy will feel smarter. Just go back to pages 2 or 3 and look at my back and forth with him. Xanatos gave me his reasons, I the understood where he was coming from and agreed with him. Then somehow my new opinion, now closer to his own ..was wrong.
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Seriously, if they had called it something else, changed a few spell names around so it seemed like its own game, I probably would've liked it just fine, because I would've been looking at it as any old game. When you slap Final Fantasy (especially of the numbered series) on the box, that's saying something. XII failed to live up to what that name says.
For Our Lord Sheogorath, without Whom all Thought would be linear and all Feeling would be fleeting. Blessed are the Madmen, for they hold the keys to secret knowledge. Blessed are the Phobic, always wary of that which would do them harm. Blessed are the Obsessed, for their courses are clear. Blessed are the Addicts, may they quench the thirst that never ebbs. Blessed are the Murderous, for they have found beauty in the grotesque. Blessed are the Firelovers, for their hearts are always warm. Blessed are the Artists, for in their hands the impossible is made real. Blessed are the Musicians, for in their ears they hear the music of the soul. Blessed are the Sleepless, as they bask in wakeful dreaming. Blessed are the Paranoid, ever-watchful for our enemies. Blessed are the Visionaries, for their eyes see what might be. Blessed are the Painlovers, for in their suffering, we grow stronger. Blessed is the Madgod, who tricks us when we are foolish, punishes us when we are wrong, tortures us when we are unmindful, and loves us in our imperfection.
Is there anyway to delete all my posts?
This is plaguing the thread creators... thread and I will talk to who I think are... irritant directly to end all this. I'm sorry for heating up but whatever.
Your pathetic existence will shut down. I will make your lives end in ruin. Fear me, as you fear death. Not a threat, not a promise, but what must be finished. 7 final arcs...
So that this is understood, involved members have been issued warnings for the rules that they broke. Current posting trends look for the issue to be now be calmed, but I will re-enforce that further actions between you two over any of the matters discussed in the thread that you were warned about will result in further warnings. So stay the current course and move on.
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New thought.
Consider this.
If there was an FF:Ivalice, or FFMMO series, they would be spinoffs. (duh)
What is the biggest difference between a mainseries and a new spin off?
Due to bugetary constraints, on account of projected sales that would be significantly less than a new installment to a new series. The production values and quality as the game as a whole would be alot less.
Also launch sales would be less, people get excited about the next Final Fantasy....noone gives a f*ck about Crystal Chronicals, Echoes of whatever, or...those other ones that I dont even know the names of.
Square Enix is a company, people work there, people work to get paid, square enix need to sell games to make money.
To stay on topic..FFVII had better music too. Uematsu's best. Best boss theme EVER, One Winged Angel is there a more memorable final boss theme? complimented the atmophere perfectly whether you were in the Temple of ancients or in a Midgar reactor.
Ahh, I see, I forgot about crystal chronicles lol.
Hmm, you are making FF7 sound great, does it get better after materia keeper? Also, they were making more than one game when they created FF12, which is why they might have changed allot during the last 5 months.
As for FF7, it was for the most part, single gaming.
Your pathetic existence will shut down. I will make your lives end in ruin. Fear me, as you fear death. Not a threat, not a promise, but what must be finished. 7 final arcs...
Like he says, it's basically starting.
It's gets way better, it's not even my favorite game (IX is more my fav) but i would consider VII to be the best game of all time, simply because of overall things put together:
-The music is unique and probably my favorite, in general (i like to listen to it on my itunes)
-Battle system is still fun and somehow doesn't get old, i think it's quickest of all FF (when ATB) and you can even still upgrade the graphics by playing the game on an emu (with a good PC of course).
-Characters: Super epic and have a great depth, that's why i don't mind more games (even DoC), simply because those characters have so much to say.
-Storyline: Very deep,dark and interesting and one of my favorite as well
And i can go on and on.
Of all the FF's Ive played VII one has by far the highest replay value, even if you clear the game 100% you'll find your self loading up that 100% file and walking around doing stuff. The content of Gold Scaucer alone could have made a decent stand alone game (handheld most likley). Chocobo races...Snowboard (this was just as good as Cool Borders, or Snowboard kids(snowboarding games of the time)...Battle square...Rollercoaster(only thing in this game I could never get down)
I am guilty of doing just that... lmao.
To be fair, XII at least did set in stone what the goal of the story was which is good to know so you're not wondering if anything's really missing. Also, the change and improvement factor is also a huge element to the FF series. Honestly, I give the company props for even daring to attempt something new, however XII and XIII's battle systems upset me greatly... I miss the simple menus where I could choose from just 4 options that would lead to the next action. Or even turn based like X! XII just looked boring to me, and XIII took the fun away with basically grinding 24/7 and letting the AI do all the work. Though I should probably not get that game involved since it would off topic, sorry!
As for the spinoff talk, that actually doesn't sound half bad. How many times are they gonna use "Ivalice" in the FF franchise anyway? XP
Almost all of the story takes place past that point. At that point you're still just getting to know the characters.
Immortal images:
VII: The origional spikey haired hero with a 6 foot long, 1 foot thick sword, standing stone strong.
XII: uh... ...? "I'm basch von ratzenburg of dalmaska!"..."I'm captain basch!"..."Basch lives!!" *whistle* ....start over.
Rollercoaster i thought was do-able but the battle arena was so annoying, that was the only thing i had trouble with and still haven't beaten 10 times in a row on disc 3 for Ribbon.
Don't need that item either
Totally, that's crazy how they're doing that so much now!As for the spinoff talk, that actually doesn't sound half bad. How many times are they gonna use "Ivalice" in the FF franchise anyway? XP
It's like they ran out of option with worlds, stopped doing world maps and have Ivalice worlds that connect together in a weird way. Seems to be that's a similarity theme like Cid or something, i hope not.
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