I'm no racist, but...

**vevuxking102** · 03-26-2008, 09:07 PM

Vevux...I'm sorry. This'll have to be the end of our fledgling relationship.

It's not you, it's me. It was me who didn't go back and check to see if you'd edited in new sources to make me look like a blind twat.

I don't think you're a blind twat, I just want you to back up your claims about wikipedia is all.

And while we're at it, innate deficiency of ethnic minorities! Wanna have a go at my argument on that next? You skipped it before.

Oh, god, okay...what is deficient about ethnic minorities? And which ones? In what country? And in what context...? I'm part of a national/ethnic minority here in California, (Mexican) so what's deficient about me?

Govinda · 03-26-2008, 09:12 PM

Are you pretending to require spoonfeeding? I'm starting to think you are. Because you are far too good at this.

I'd like to thank you for entertaining me this morning. You're far more interesting than television at this hour.

I give up. You're right about absolutely everything and have proof for it all.

Except Christianty, which you believe in minus proof from either the BBC or Wikipedia.

You are inherently crap because you're part Mexican. Obviously, that's fact. Take that at face value in a quote and flyyyy with it honey, that's why I typed it.

Night night

**Pete** · 03-26-2008, 09:19 PM

Honestly, where is this thread going?

I've been debating whether or not to read through the quotes and quotes of quotes, or simply smash my head into my desk trying to read pages 4 and 5.

Vevuxking, Pablo Honey stated how Wikipedia isn't a reliable source. She said that papers would be failed if they cited Wikipedia. There's absolutely no reason to assume that she's lying, because who would lie about something like that?

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/21/ed...wikipedia.html

http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/gener..._wikipedia.php

In case her personal experience isn't enough, here are two articles about it.

As for "only Mexicans" being criticized for not learning English. I'm calling bullshit on that one. I live in an area full of Russians, who came here after the fall of the USSR. None of them know English, and none of them care to learn, except for a handful of children and some teenagers. No adults give a damn to learn English, as they have signs in Cyrillic Russian all over the place. I can't read them, and when I go into the stores, to maybe pick up a Babka (type of cake) for my family, I get dirty looks and stares. I should not have to be made to feel unwelcome in my own neighborhood. However, the main point is that these people demand that Americans adapt to their system, which is bullshit. You don't go into someone else's house and make them follow your rules; you shut the hell up and do as your told. If someone came into my home, telling me what to do and making demands, I'd kick them the hell out.

Mexicans, Koreans and Chinese are the same way. Granted, the Asians ARE making the effort to learn the language, and more often than not do.

My proof for this is personal experience. You get that by going outside every now and then.

**vevuxking102** · 03-26-2008, 09:32 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/21/ed...wikipedia.html

Here's what I found when I actually read the article:

"The discussion raised by the Middlebury policy has been covered by student newspapers at the University of Pennsylvania and Tufts, among others. The Middlebury Campus, the student weekly, included an opinion article last week by Chandler Koglmeier that accused the history department of introducing “the beginnings of censorship.”

Other students call the move unnecessary. Keith Williams, a senior majoring in economics, said students “understand that Wikipedia is not a responsible source, that it hasn’t been thoroughly vetted.” Yet he said, “I personally use it all the time.”

Jason Mittell, an assistant professor of American studies and film and media culture at Middlebury, said he planned to take the pro-Wikipedia side in the campus debate. “The message that is being sent is that ultimately they see it as a threat to traditional knowledge,” he said. “I see it as an opportunity. What does that mean for traditional scholarship? Does traditional scholarship lose value?”

For his course “Media Technology and Cultural Change,” which began this month, Professor Mittell said he would require his students to create a Wikipedia entry as well as post a video on YouTube, create a podcast and produce a blog for the course.

Another Middlebury professor, Thomas Beyer, of the Russian department, said, “I guess I am not terribly impressed by anyone citing an encyclopedia as a reference point, but I am not against using it as a starting point.”

And yes, back at Wikipedia, the Jesuits are still credited as supporting the Shimabara Rebellion. "

What the actual wikipedia article says:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shimabara_Rebellion

One history class banning the site for references on one subject is not proof of it's overall unreliability and inaccuracy.

"http://www.theargus.co.uk/news/generalnews/display.var.1961862.0.lecturer_bans_students_from_ using_google_and_wikipedia.php"

Wow, a lecturer bans both Google and Wikipedia? That's proof of...?

"A lecturer has criticised students for relying on websites like Google and Wikipedia to do their thinking for them.

Professor Tara Brabazon, from the University of Brighton, said too many young people around the world were taking the easy option when asked to do research and simply repeating the first things they found on internet searches.

She has dubbed the phenomenon "The University of Google"."

The person banned them because she believed it was making the students lazy, not because the sources are unreliable.

The multiple sources I gave actually relied on sound statistics, and were about the reliability of information on certain subjects on wikipedia, not about someones opinion on them. Geesh.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/4530930.stm

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061127-8296.html

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2005/...iew051215.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reliability_of_Wikipedia

http://mashable.com/2007/08/08/wikipedia-color-coding/

http://trust.cse.ucsc.edu/

As for "only Mexicans" being criticized for not learning English. I'm calling bullshit on that one. I live in an area full of Russians, who came here after the fall of the USSR. None of them know English, and none of them care to learn, except for a handful of children and some teenagers. No adults give a damn to learn English, as they have signs in Cyrillic Russian all over the place. I can't read them, and when I go into the stores, to maybe pick up a Babka (type of cake) for my family, I get dirty looks and stares. I should not have to be made to feel unwelcome in my own neighborhood. However, the main point is that these people demand that Americans adapt to their system, which is bullshit. You don't go into someone else's house and make them follow your rules; you shut the hell up and do as your told. If someone came into my home, telling me what to do and making demands, I'd kick them the hell out.

I don't know you, nor do I know of the situation in your neighborhood, so I just have to take your word for the story. The fact is, Southern California is filled with Asians who don't know English and make little effort to learn it, mostly eldery asians, and the schools here speak and teach in Vietnamese, yet no one complains about that. Everyone however, complains about the Spanish. That dreadful non-white language (wait, it comes from Europe...) that is so degenerate and so offensive.

My proof for this is personal experience. You get that by going outside every now and then.

I don't know you, so your personal experience means nothing to me.

**Walter Sobchak** · 03-26-2008, 10:00 PM

I will admit that I haven't read more than the opening sentence of each post for the last few pages or so.

With that said, I love this. I am no longer Public Enemy #1!

Keep fighting the good fight, vev. And when you get to two warnings, wait it out.

**vevuxking102** · 03-26-2008, 10:03 PM

Um..okay. I don't want to fight anyone, or offend anyone, I was just presenting the facts and my point of view. But I guess I have riled people up. Someone said via Private Messaging that I should be a Sociologist...

**OceanEyes28** · 03-26-2008, 10:10 PM

Keeeeep oooooon tooooopiiiiiiic.

A little debate on source validity within the main debate is fine, but let's not hijack the original topic (ahhh racism) with it. It hasn't gotten bad, but I'm trying to make sure I don't wake up tomorrow to five more posts about Wikipedia.

And James, have your fun, but don't derail the thread. I'm sure you can work your magic and pull that off somehow.

Okay, be decent to one another and enjoy your racism thread. Thank you!

P.S. Vevux, I'm not sure if you're here to make friends or not, but I tend to hold out hope for most members until they give me a reason not to. If you can get past the fact that I'm an evil Protestant (

), you can PM me anytime.

**vevuxking102** · 03-26-2008, 10:12 PM

I'm sorry for contributing to the derailing of this thread, and if I've been too confrontational and offensive, I apologize for that too. Sorry.

**Jin** · 03-27-2008, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by vevuxking102

I'm sorry for contributing to the derailing of this thread, and if I've been too confrontational and offensive, I apologize for that too. Sorry.

Prove it.

Oh right, the topic. What more is there to say really? Pete has summed it up pretty well. Until someone of an opposing opinion has something to say other than "proof?", there's really nowhere for this to go.

**vevuxking102** · 03-27-2008, 11:28 AM

Sorry, you can't prove a sentiment towards a topic on a forum.

**che** · 10-05-2010, 02:30 PM

I like to call people racist when I don't really know if they are or not. That way I can gauge they're reaction and make an uneducated guess one way or another. It's like a minigame in life for me.

**Josh_R** · 10-13-2010, 06:05 PM

I call people racist all the time, I know that most are not, but it is funny to see peoples reaction when they are called it.

**Jin** · 10-13-2010, 08:41 PM

I dislike the entire race of necromancers. Now that Chad has revealed himself to be one, I must dislike him as well. Don't take this to mean that I did not dislike him before.

Double Negative'd!

**Unknown Entity** · 10-14-2010, 05:50 AM

I don't think I'm racist. I don't like offending people unless I'm really annoyed with someone, and race isn't the thing I'll go for. Where I live, that's like going for the jugular, so I pick off on what makes someone an asshole. You can be white, black, asian, etc and be an asshole.

I don't think calling someone a racist on the spot is very funny. The second someone accuses you of being a racist in the wrong place, you get a bunch of characters who're going to hate you and probably pound a few punches into you before you can explain that're you're not. Even then, they won't believe you. My brother called me "racist" instead of "sexist" once... I wasn't very popular with my neighbours after that.

I wish I lived in a more easy going country... -_-

As for why this thread came back? I do not know. Kinda pointless... kinda scary looking back on my post from about the time when I first joined.

**Ryu-Kentoshii Hirokima** · 10-14-2010, 09:10 AM

I Don't Like It When I Am Accused Of Being A Racist When I'm Not...It Does Piss Me Off.

My Cousin Is Have Black And Half White And I Like Him Alot, My God Brother Is Jamaican, I Have Lots Of Asian Friends That I Like Very Much...I'm Diverse. So It Really Pisses Me Off When People Say That I'm Racist When I'm Not.