Obama's Military Cutbacks

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Nix, you're from canada.
If you think our bombs are that innaccurate, come on down to MIT, get yourself an engineering degree, get hired by lockheed martin and teach us hillbilly americans how to build a guidance system properly.

Seriously,
Don't you think that the country which invented just about every piece of computer and engineering technology in use today employs the most advanced equipment in it's military hardware?
We actually do not carpet bomb, as a moral standard. Can we do it? Better than anyone. Do we do it often? Hell no. You can't imagine how rare it is that an operation like that could be, at the same time, safe, effective, beneficial beyond the cost and with minimal collateral damage.
We have the capability, but since so many people scream at us to lead the attack, then scream at us for doing the killing...
The US employs what's called precision bombing. We minimize the destructiveness of a 500lb bomb, dropped from a supersonic jet at 30,000 feet.
Honestly, does any of this sound simple?

Do you think Canadian pilots could do better?
Nix, do you think Canadian computer technology is capable? Do you think your technicians could be tough enough, could understand the importance of maintaining those computers? Do you think there is another country in the world that, if they were going drop one bomb, could hit their intended target?

I've played wargames with most of the US' allies. My squadron's lifetime record stands as undefeated against foreign fighter squadrons.
In 60 years, the only people to shoot down one of those pilots in a war game were other american pilots.

So what do you think, Nix?
Do you think that you could find a more qualified unit on the planet to wage war?
Do you think a Canadian pilot could place a bomb more precisely?

The answer to both is no.
There is no more qualified military on the planet.
And a Canadian pilot (who would be flying old american hardware...) Could not place a bomb more precisely.
I'm not guessing at this.
I have seen HUD film footage of this. It was my job.

But you didn't suggest that anyone would do better explicitly. What you said was you want less bombing.
Referring back to your previous posts,
You said something along the lines of, we should allow other countries a chance to catch up.
How long would that take?
England,
10 years.

Canada,
A little longer.

Japan,
After building a real military, 10+ years.

Russia,
20 years.

North Korea,
50

Malaysia,
Probably 70 years...

Sudan,
Shit, they're still using old communist hardware from the USSR.

Would the US ever consider making absolutely no technological advances and making no changes to its military of the next...... 8 million years while the rest of the planet gets itself together and learns how to build its own computers and equipment without the US holding their hands?
Nope.
Nix,
If you were a hockey (or whatever lame sport you prefer) player...
Would you let your opposition have time to discover and employ equipment and plays you came up with?
Or, would you continue to be creative and think up new ways to keep getting better?

Also,
How many nations do you know have built entire, full functioning and fully manned Naval ships to be operated by the Navy specifically for humanitarian operations?
If you don't believe me, google USNS Comfort and USNS Mercy.
How many of those does Canada own?
How many exist in the entire world?

You're the one living in a country witha military that's only good for fighting.
The US hands out more foreign aid than Canada. And, a lot of the time, it is our service memebers doing the work.
We've built drinkable water supplies and sewer systems in towns and villages in Iraq and Afganistan. We've come to the aid of countries which have been devastated by natural disasters.
We have stepped in and mediated peace negotiations between warring or potentially hostile groups from habibi tribes in the desert to members of the UN.
The people shouldering the weight when it comes to those jobs are service members.

What is Canada's military good for?
What other military does more work, fighting or otherwise, than the US?

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Wikipedia is not a reliable source for information, statistics, historical fact or polling.
Since anyone can write anything on that site, it is best to assume all information contained there was submitted from a biased source.
Nix, you clearly have been misled.
Stop listening to what everyone else tells you and do your own research and form your own oppinions.
Moreover, your knowladge of US military history seems limited to just two incidents in the same country and your facts are all wrong about both. How can you believe strongly, one way or another, with almost nothing to build those beliefs from?
You should either hit the books or stop stating opinions about the subject. Nothing you have said has contributed to the debate, no facts you have stated are true to any degree of accuracy, your oppinions were clearly hand fed to you and you have exactly zero historical knowladge to draw back on to support yourself.
"Thing's you learned over the years..."? What is that supposed to mean? That you've accidentally absorbed everything you know on the topic?
knowladge doesn't work that way, gullability does. When you agree with someone else's opinion blindly and never follow up on any of their claims, thats called being misled, being gullable.

Also, what is "backseat modding" and how have I broken any forum rules?
Does my strong tone, broad knowladge base of US military history and confidence offend you, nix?

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I do read books and occasionally listen to people who are more informed than i discuss the matter, I cant quote em on the net can i, seeing as im not referring to it for medical advice, wikipedia is easiest and accurate enough when dealing with people who try to rationalise the continued support of the murder of countless innocence

How about we take a step back and approach war differently? Like when we go and blow the shit out of our enemies we then cloth/feed/educate the rest that we dont blow the shit out of?

As the way it is now, its just gonna keep on looping over and over, could prob take a pool on when you guys head back to Baghdad, or i mean blow the shit out of Bahdad and then head in

And I'm not offended Order, but you pointing out rules in an effort to reinforce them is deemed as backseat modding and in itself against the rules, i was just meerley pointing that out as i found it humorous

You should either hit the books,Your oppinions were clearly hand fed to you

Is reading a book not the same thing? Is there an almighty book of credible information? Does one mans published opinion outweigh anothers unpublished work?

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... people who try to rationalise the continued support of the murder of countless innocence

Who's trying to rationalize the murder of innocents, other than you?

I mean, that is what you're doing, after all -- trying to claim that we should have continued letting Saddam brutally slaughter millions of innocent people, including women and children, because you don't like war.

How about we take a step back and approach war differently? Like when we go and blow the shit out of our enemies we then cloth/feed/educate the rest that we dont blow the shit out of?

... Are you saying that you don't like that we clothe/feed/educate people, or are you claiming that we don't do that, but should? Either way, we do clothe/feed/educate people, we do send billions to stabilize their economy, we do train their security forces, we do rebuild their infrastructure to a point of superiority over pre-war conditions. This is why Iraq now has more clean water, more education, more hospital access, more electricity, more trash and sewage collection, and more women's rights than at any point in the last four decades.

As the way it is now, its just gonna keep on looping over and over, could prob take a pool on when you guys head back to Baghdad, or i mean blow the shit out of Bahdad and then head in

It will keep looping, if we obey cowards who don't have the courage to stand and fight and would rather cut and run.

Look at Vietnam. We went to Vietnam to stop Communist North Vietnam from taking over free South Vietnam. And we did. Until politicians and protesters put enough pressure on the government to pull the rug out from under South Vietnam -- and what happened? As soon as we declared a plan, North Vietnam slowed down their attacks. A bunch of morons shouted, "look, they just wanted us out -- now that they know we're leaving, they're not attacking as much! Us leaving will solve all the problems!" Then what? As soon as we left, the North invaded again, brutally slaughtering hundreds of thousands of South Vietnamese noncombatants. The exact same thing would have happened in Iraq and Afghanistan, if we had let people like you get your way.

And I'm not offended Order, but you pointing out rules in an effort to reinforce them is deemed as backseat modding and in itself against the rules, i was just meerley pointing that out as i found it humorous

And you pointing that out is backseat modding. And me pointing that out is backseat modding. So really, is it that important?

Does one mans published opinion outweigh anothers unpublished work?

In a word ... yes. Internet blogs and such are not credible sources of information -- that includes Wikipedia. If you look through Wiki for information, you should try going through the links at the bottom of the page.

And I highly doubt that even Wikipedia has anything that even remotely hints at civilian deaths in the Persian Gulf war totaling into the hundreds of thousands. In fact, Wikipedia links here, which states that Iraqi civilian casualties numbered 3,664, compared to 20,000-35,000 Iraqi military casualties. So the idea that the Baghdad campaign "killed over 100 thousand innocent civilians", or that the United States "killed a fraction of enemy troops in comparison to the innocents lost", is complete and utter bullshit. Anybody making either of those claims is severely lacking in either intelligence or honesty.

“But war, in a good cause, is not the greatest evil which a nation can suffer. War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things: the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice – a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice – is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself. As long as justice and injustice have not terminated their ever-renewing fight for ascendancy in the affairs of mankind, human beings must be willing, when need is, to do battle for the one against the other.”

John Stuart Mill

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Nix,
The US already DOES automatically provide food, clothes, education, infastructure and trains police and military forces in Iraq amd Afghanistan... As Sasquach said up there, as I have stated before, as has been in the news, as has been recorded in several documentaries and as is common knowladge among americans.
The reason we do that is to "win hearts and minds", meaning hopefully when we leave, Iraqi people will like the US more than they did before. Maybe we won't need to help them tear down another dictator.

You are defending the fact that you refuse to form your own opinions using facts and resources from credible institutions?
You're trying to tell me that my military is bad and you know ABSOLUTELY nothing about it.
Much like the guy who originally started this thread.

If you are going to take a stance on a subject, you had better learn a little bit about it before you start talking. Your opinions are not your own, you know nothing of the world outside your little sheltered corner.
You have not been,
You have not done,
You have not seen,
Anything.

You're the type of person who would go to Japan and think all the people there are polite because they smile while they say racist things about you in japanese, using a friendly tone.
You would go to the Phillipines and see children in the street without clothes on and you would talk about how they have terrible parents.
You are the type of person who sees North Korea as a far away country which isn't a threat to you.
You think China is an ally because they joined the UN.

You are oblivious to the true workings of countries and cultures outside you own.