Quote Originally Posted by Rowan View Post
Im not sure I understand what you mean in reference to what I said. Are you talking about death by apostasy? its in the quran, if you need proof.
Yes, yes I do. Not sure what the sentence is for. WHY are people sentenced to death. Not saying I don't believe you or anything, but I'm not very versed in Islam.

Yes and why should that mean it was because of some divine miracle?
It's his belief, who are you to say it wasn't?

Ive heard this argument hundreds of times. What you're saying is that it takes as much faith to disbelieve than it does to believe. Does it take as much faith to disbelieve the claims about bigfoot than it does to believe them? And it almost sounds like you're saying disbelief and belief are the same thing... Also, just because theres no proof to say there isn't a god (i would argue there is multitudes of evidence contradictory to the existence of such a being) it doesn't give you any validation to believe in it. Just because you cannot explain something, it doesnt give you any proof or evidence that it COULD have been ANYTHING. It gives you nothing.
There is no validation to make a claim either way. It's faith, pure and simple. It may not be a good reason to make a decision, but it is faith on both sides. You have faith there isn't a god. There is nothing to say there isn't one. As for bigfoot, it's a similar thing. If you grow up being told there is a bigfoot, but there is no proof, you will eventually think it's silly. But then you're walking in the woods one day and you see some big ass dark animal run by. Your brain jumps to "OMG BIGFOOT" now, whether or not you decide to say definitely one way or the other is up to you. But it's a person trying to explain the unexplained without proof. Either it was or it wasn't.


Before you can apply logical thought you need to be able to differentiate between knowledge and fantasy. If you are willing to embrace knowledge then we should probably discuss how it was possible that a man managed to gather 2 of every animal onto a boat without them savving each other (amoung countless other reasons)
Not every religious person is an evangelical. Some people treat such stories as fables. Now, science can disprove the Earth wasn't covered in a flood, BUT, that hardly proves the religion as a whole wrong. It does prove there was a severe lack of knowledge. It might have started as a fable with a message, but mistranslations and such could have warped it. It's just a case of truths being lost over time. If a person wants to take such unreliable stories as fact, oh well.


I can blame religion for many things. Afterall, religious belief is a belief. Beliefs have an inherit impact on peoples decisions, behaviours and actions. Perhaps im just focusing on the negative, but it seems religion has done more bad than good in this world. As society has become more civilized, religious texts have be forced to change in order to keep up with what people believe to humane and decent. An example would be gay marriage, homosexuality. Thats evidence of that.
The fact that they are changing is a wonderful thing. But as I said before, religion is just a scape goat for the bad people do. Religion or no, the Earth would hardly be in a different state. It's not like religions have done nothing but bad and atheists nothing but good.



If you want to help people, why not help everyone instead of excluding atheists? Also, what is it about the idea of religion that you like, but why you dont like organized belief systems? You do realise that the dominating religions in this world are dominating because they are organized religions?
Who said anything about picking and choosing who to help? I want to help people because they are fellow human beings, nothing more.

I like the deep down meaning. Religious belief is meant to spread equality and love, but it has been badly twisted by various leaders and evil people. There is no way a religion, or any institution for that matter, can remain pure. THAT is why I feel the idea of religion is great, but impossible.