Sorry, most of my internet time is spent playing poker so I don't have tons of time to put in well thought out responses during those sessions, but i've got an hour in between classes thought i'd go for it.

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EDIT: Ok, in light of recent postings, I'll try and unhijack this topic. I just had to reply, couldn't help myself.

Can we talk about how Obama is handling Ahmedinejad and his epic trollery of the UN conference? It's been going on for days in a row now, and I think it merits some discussion.

How do you think Obama's foreign policy is shaping up in light of the UN conferences? Do you think it's making him look stronger, weaker, pandering, authoritative?

Personally I think he's just treading water until the mid-terms, and THOSE are another shitstorm altogether.
Overall I don't hate Obama's foreign policy, he uses those drones more than tiger woods sleeps around. And I like that. But I would have liked for him to come out alot more aggressive, against this speech. I wonder what would have happened if Obama had said the things this guy said on iranian soil? So yeah credit for the drones, but I think alot of the foreign policy is kind of weak.

The very fact that we have "for-profit" universities should tell you there is a vested interest in having lots of children go to college. And of course there is, have to pay maintenance costs on the buildings and buy real estate somehow. But if you don't think "college culture" is not an integral and for that matter severely glorified and propagated ideal of American society, you haven't been watching enough "Animal House" or "American Pie" or "Retarded Show About Yuppy White Kids with Problems: Laguna Beach"
I don't see a problem with for profit universities, they are providing a service of advancing your career, and that is worth money. As we know the government is highly inefficient(never got a response on my stimulus bill analysis) meaning that it will only cost more to people, in some form of a tax, in addition, having for profit universities creates more competetion, just think about all the different colleges/universities we have.


Never said there was a right to happiness, brah. You're making up arguments here.
Your idea of reality is pretty ****ed up if you think that a society doesn't bear any responsibility for its own citizens.
You then go on to infer that government is responsible with providing a man with a car so that he can goto work, It doesn't seem to unreasonable to suspect that you believe the government should give out things(like cars) to people, because they have a right to them, as well as a right to be happy.




Oh, so you're an anarchist I see. That or you live in a world where society and government aren't inextricably linked. Guess what determines the laws of a society? Guess who elects the people who make those laws?
No I am not following you, I've established that government's role is to protect us from foreign invaders, as well as provide a playing field with fair play, also providing an honoring a currency for people to use, this doesn't make me an anarchist, it just means the governent doesn't need to be involved in the majority of the sectors it is invovled in because:
A - The government is inefficient due to no incentive to not be inefficient
B - There are charities that are in place or will be developed, society will take care of the truly motivated prospects.

I hear blowjobs have great market value these days.
Sexual Favors, while I wouldn't reccomend, is a method, car pooling somebodies kid, having a unique skill that people want and need, all ways of obtaining favors that are not neccessarily expensive(in fact even cheap) that can be done

Here we go again: "Because I deserve it!"

They obviously deserve their shitty situation and I deserve to not have to think about their shitty situation because I deserve it and that's the reason why I deserve it. "A driven person can make it work if they have to"
They did get themselves into the situation, maybe I got a head start, I shouldn't be punished for it. Likewise when they start going, they shouldn't be punished with taxes on their wages when they are trying to get out of there situation. I do deserve the situation I am in to an extent, because I do not have kids, I don't use drugs, and I am decently frugal. These are choices that I made, that people who are doing worse than me made different decisions than I did, and I should not suffer for making the right one.


FedEx, UPS, privatized mail services what? Also, no, that's not what socialism is. That's Fox News' definition of socialism.
FedEx and UPS deal with parcels, not letters, US Postal System has that, and they are losing money. Also I wasn't defining socialism, I was defining a Shared Good, you talked about what taxes are for, they are for the purchase of shared goods(police security, missle defense systems) things that you cannot stop people from benefitting without paying, so you need a way to make everyone pay. And I don't think its Fox News' definition.


Have you ever bought condoms? They're about $1 each. So a 16 pack will run $16-20 depending on where you live. Also, you shouldn't pay for their birth control, but when they have a child and cannot afford it, you will end up paying for that child inadvertently. Ever heard the phrase "nip it in the bud"? Subsidized birth control does just that.
Yeah I have, I got a 24 pack for $6 at meijers(walmart) they weren't very good as far as feeling good, but they worked, didn't break.
And idealogically I would say no I wouldn't pay for it in my system inadvertently.

This, again, is the root problem here. You don't have money? Well, you must fail at life then! Only people with lots of money are real human beings, everyone else is a failure and I don't have to worry about them. You've been fed this shitty idea that money=worth and you eat it up like filet mignon. MONEY ISN'T REAL. It's an arbitrarily designated value agreed upon by enough people over time. Numbers on a page.
The amount of money to have a basic standard of life is not out of anybody's grasp, it is not a difficult task to accomplish, so, if you are unable to obtain the most basic of standard of living, you are obviously doing something wrong, there are so many avenues of life that you can make money to reach this basic standard, that if you can't make it. Yeah I am not afraid to say that they are probably failing at some part of there life.


You can pay attention to whatever you want, man. Also, here you go making arguments out of thin air again, I don't even know what you're trying to prove here, I was making a facetious statement about dude saying "if u work u get moneys and then ur best ok".
No, you were trying to suggest that somebody can get screwed by the flow of inflation, and I still say, it is their fault for not paying attention to the market. The information is out there. Then I made a comparison to people who follow sports with extreme detail, pointing out they obviously have the additional time to read into things that can benefit them financially BUT THEY CHOOSE NOT TO, that is why it is not my fault they came on hard time. They could have anticipated this, but they didn't try to. They cared about other things more, good for them, I don't care. But don't expect me to want to bail you out when I did care.
This is my favorite part of your whole argument, because it is so convincing and thought out, and obviously doesn't have any logical fallacies or an air of pretentious supremacy about it at all.

"I would explain to you how wrong you are, but I don't need to because anyone who is me will come to the same conclusion."
you'll have to quote the arguement you presented as a stone cold obvious fact, because I remember writing that, because what I read was so absurd I thought it was a joke, but then I knew it wasn't, and if you critically thought about it, without an agenda, you would come to a similar conclusion, there were so many things wrong with it that I didn't feel the need to contest it.


I thought you didn't give a shit about LeBron James?
Clearly you missed the point, reading comprehension please. You tried to say that a man in colarado building a railroad works 'harder' than a man manipulating numbers in New York, and is that fair. I said that it was fair, using an athlete as an example of someone with a specific skill that is in demand, and comparing them to the same railroad builder, who has no skill.

He's the exception to the rule. Once again, I was being facetious.
But is he really the exception? What about Taylor Swift, Brad Pitt, George Clooney, Rich Devos, Jay Van Andel, Andre Agassi. There are TONS of successful people that give ALOT of money to charity to help out society, at a certain point, that 'exception to the rule' has to change to 'a statistical norm' and even if it is only a percentage of successful people, the amount of money they donate (because they are so stinkin wealthy) can help lots of people that need that helping hand. It is because of this statistical norm, that government should not be so directed to helping people(because remember, its inefficient anyways). And if people are spending less on taxes, guess what, they are going to increase their charitable contributions, making the donors an even higher %


If you're wondering where you lost your credibility, it's right here.
And once again, I am the problem here, we conveniently forgot to answer the part I asked on WHO sold the african slaves to people(Hint:The africans did) In a day where it was commonplace to do this. No I don't judge people for using slaves.

How did these africans get these slaves? They took over other tribes and enslaved there people, then sold the slaves. If mexico, canada, hell if anyone wants to hop on a boat and try to attack us. You know you want to Iran,Russia, and middle east. Go for it, see what happens, Hell people still do it, i'm looking at you Africa again, you still do it.

So if you want to judge me because I say "I don't care that we used slaves, and if anyone wants to try to do the same to us, they are free to try" go for it, but you really are just being blind to reality about it. You know they would do it in a second if they thought they could get away with it, i'm just meeting them with the same amount of killer instinct, and a few nukes to back it up.

As far as my credibility, my opinion on the kardashian sisters, no matter how true or false, has no bearing on the credibility of my arguments on this topic. Likewise, my opinion on slavery, and my lax attitude towards it. Does not diminish the value of the arguements I presented about other things.