Edit: I apologize for this post in advance. If you want to focus more directly on the topic at hand, I suggest completely ignoring the following post (seriously). Though it isn't irrelevant, it's focused on the undercurrents when the topic at hand is about the surface.
Just to be clear, I'm not "accepting" of pedophilia. I think it's pretty, as you said, perverse and I'm certainly not trying to suggest that children are not abused or adversely affected when these desires are acted upon. However, I'm attempting to bypass my own personal and culturally derived morality to look at pedophilia for what it really is. I may be mistaken, and keep in mind I'm talking strictly about the desire, not the action, but what I see is a sexual preference no different from any other. As naturally occurring (by which I mean as innate to a particular person) as any other desire.Originally Posted by Alpha
I choose to cop-out then as I do follow the train of thought in your laptop example. But I would argue that with the exception of the standard penis goes in vagina (as it's biologically derived), pedophilia is only based on conditioning as much as any other sexual desire. Again, I'm not a psychologist, so I can't say for sure that sexual desires (by which I don't necessarily mean that person X is attracted to person type Y, but rather that person X finds attribute, idea or action Z sexually enticing) beyond 'penis goes into vagina' are based on conditioning, but I believe they are. I can't see my sexual attraction to stockings to be biologically or genetically derived. I think pedophilia is just another fetish, albeit with more serious consequences than the average.I think that's a bit of a cop-out. That's the same as saying that a laptop is a natural object. I suppose that it is logical, for humans are natural (self-occurring), and they developed laptops. However, without the input of humans (or something else equally sentient) a laptop would not exist. Without some type of conditioning, do you really think adults can be sexually attracted to children?
That's not the kind of control I'm talking about. I'm talking about the control of one's thoughts and desire, not of one's actions. The law itself isn't the means of control - it's just the expression of control. I'm hesitant to use quotes from Foucault as they're probably harder to read than my own structureless blathering, but I think it's pertinent here. From The History of Sexuality:Control. Control by those who know better, over children. I'm happy with controlling such behavior to protect children.
The power to marginalize a specific sexual preference as deviancy is carried out prior to law as part of the hegemonic sexual discourse. In a brief, tacked on way to directly connect this with the topic, one can view this ban on animated minor porn as an extension of this discursive power. Whether it's right or wrong is irrelevant. If the hegemonic sexual discourse calls pedophilia a deviancy, pedophilia will be wrong in society's eyes; if it does the opposite, it will be right (or at least acceptable). This is a fatalistic stance, so honestly I don't know where I'm going with this, but I just felt like typing it.Originally Posted by Michel Foucault, The History of Sexuality, Volume I, pp. 88-90
Yeesh, I apologize for this horrendously unstructured (and perhaps somewhat pretentious, haha) post. I'm tired.










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