Re-incarnation/Heaven/Hell/Nothing.

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but the interesting point there is that your opinions don't control anything.

And neither do yours.

First off, it's a spiritual realm. Not a physical realm. Which means it doesn't need to be explainable or observable by physical means.

So you're saying that it doesn't really exist, which is exactly what I said before.

Once again, a spiritual realm doesn't have to have energy observable by humans.

To exist it does, because everything that exists has measurable energy levels.

No, that's not what I'm saying at all. Are there any other opposing issues you'd like to fabricate because you can't form logical arguments against those present?

I'm not fabricating anything. I'm just using exactly what you said against you. If you don't like it, then watch what you say. You said that it's a "spiritual realm," and that it didn't have measurable energy, which is impossible considering that the universe, and therefore everything in existence, is made up of energy. Therefore, heaven and hell are ideas, according to you.

"Seeing pink elephants" is a reference to being drunk. Alcohol. Not LSD, not any "psychotic drug", whatever you think that is -- alcohol.

So alcohol makes people hallucinate things that aren't actually there? Depressants don't usually do that. They change perception, but hallucinations are from an entirely different part of the brain. Psychotics are a good example of drugs that make people hallucinate.

You know what, just nevermind the pink elephants. My point was that just because somebody "sees" something doesn't mean it has energy.

Of course hallucinations don't have energy. They're a figment of the mind, and hence, don't actually exist.

I can't tell you not to make things up that you know nothing about?

There is nothing in the constitution that say that I can't make up things. That is, as long as I'm not in court.

It's Heaven. No hunting. No hurting. The lion and the lmb are friends.

I don't think I like your idea of no hunting and no hurting. I mean, peace is swell and all, but I like food. I really would not want to spend eternity without it.

According to you.

That's right.

Not only can I guarantee that my IQ is over 25, I can also prettymuch guarantee that I have a higher IQ than you do.

Well I slept with your wife.

There has never been any credible scientific evidence that "energy" remains after death in any form. Of course, the complete lack of logic or credibility doesn't stop you from making that assertion, but that's not surprising.

Let me get this straight, you believe in heaven, and therefore believe in the soul, but you don't believe in the life force concept, which is basically the same concept as having a soul? How bizarre. There's no credible evidence, no, but there are various ghost sightings throughout history, which means that even after death, the energy of the life force still remains.

And I like helping people make themselves look stupid.

I'd say you like making yourself look stupid even more.

When somebody says something stupid -- like that it's a "biblical fact" that animals can't enter Heaven -- I like to come in and ask how they got that stupid idea. While most people can back up their stupid idea with at least some evidence or logic, there are some -- including you -- that would rather sit back and use semantics and petty ad hominems to back themselves into corners. These are the most fun.

I took two minutes out of my day to look up the passage that states that animals get into heaven. It doesn't exist. There are passages that state equality between animal and human, as well as state that animals were as well created in the image of God, but nowhere does it state that animals are allowed entry into heaven. Therefore, my so-called "biblical fact" does indeed hold water.

It's only yourself and one other member that hold some sort of twisted fascination with me.

Vice versa, rather. I'm pretty sure that the guy who watches for a particular member's comments merely to start an argument over the stupidest things is the one with the weird fascination.