Suicide

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Psychosis is defined as any severe form of a mental disorder -- therefore, a severely depressed person could indeed be psychotic. Still, your attempted argument is that they're not thinking clearly, but they're thinking clearly.

The DSM states that there are nine psychotic disorders, which are schizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, schizophreniform disorder, breif psychotic disorder, delusional disorder, shared psychotic disorder, substance-induced psychosis, psychosis due to a general medical condition, and the wastebasket category. Nowhere in that description does it include any depressive disorders.

And feelings of worthlessness can be present without clinical depression. Hence, the feelings are a cause, not a symptom. Thank you for proving my point.

If you feel worthless, then you're depressed. There's really no other way around it. Nobody who isn't depressed would say, "I am an idiot, my life sucks, there's no point for me to live," and actually mean it. If you say, or even think those kinds of things, and actually mean them, then you're depressed.

Now are you claiming to be an educated sociologist, too?

No, but I don't have to be an educated sociologist to speak to an educated sociologist.

"AIDS is the anomaly of a virus ..." -- Actually, it's the result of the HIV virus, which is the anomaly -- of SIV, Simian Immunodeficiency Virus.

Yes. Good job putting that together.

"... which can't be pinpointed to any one cause." -- The type of SIV that spreads to humans has been pinpointed to the Pan troglodytes troglodytes sub-species, which only exists in the Central African rainforest.

Let me give you a history lesson. In 1959, a man entered a hospital in Kinshasa, Central Africa. The sample of this mans blood was frozen, and when it was examined in the 1980s, it turns out that this man carried the HIV virus. The location of the virus back in the 50s means nothing, because it proves that the virus existed long before it was ever first diagnosed, meaning that it could have come from literally anywhere. If you want to assume something that has yet to be proven, then go ahead, but you're only making an ass out of yourself.

Let me guess, the moon landing was faked? Bush masterminded 9/11?

That's not common sense, is it? Unless if conspiracy theory now translates to common sense. Either way, conspiracy theory or common sense, it would be just about as reliable.

... No, I didn't. Please, if you can't debate what I actually say, just leave the conversation, instead of fabricating my views. If you don't understand what I post, don't make ignorant assumptions about it.

If you don't want me to make "ignorant assumptions," then write better.

On and off? You claimed that one has to be consistently depressed -- feel nothing but depression -- for two weeks to be clinically depressed.

No, I'm pretty sure that I just gave the DSM's diagnosis. Mostly depressed for two consecutive weeks. That doesn't mean "feeling nothing but depression." What, you don't have access to the DSM? I'm pretty sure that it's online.

You claim to be working on a third. Thus, even according to your claims, you have not completed more than two courses.

The semester is over in a month, and I'm guaranteed to pass.

Regardless, the burden of proof concerning your claims lies on you.

And the same goes for your claims. Now you've shown some (unreliable) proof concerning the AIDS debate, but this is about suicide, and not AIDS.

When did I say that the percentage of people with the problem that get help for it is minimal?

When you said that not many people get help.

One hundred years ago, man couldn't walk on the moon. Five hundred years ago, man couldn't fly.

Would you care to try again?

You are such an idiot. Man can walk on the moon, and man can fly. It's not rocket science. A retard would have been able to figure that one out.

They always have to be depressed? That's what you said. Nice try, kid.

Stop twisting both of our words, heartthrob. You said that in some cases of clinical depression, there wasn't any depression involved. My response was that there has to be depression involved for it to be diagnosed as clinical depression.

Ah. You're going to try to bullshit your way out of it. I have my answer.

You are the pettiest person I have ever had a discussion with. Tell me, are you this trivial in the real world?

It's too bad you didn't say that when you first claimed that they just want attention, or else you might be taken seriously.

Actually, I did. It's called subtext. Just because I don't come out and say it, doesn't mean it's not there. Try reading it again, big guy.

Combination of conscious and subconscious mind.

No, it comes from the unconscious. It's true that subconscious is a psychology term. Good job with that. Unfortunately for you, so is unconscious. I suggest you look up what the psychological definition of unconscious is before you start arguing about it again. I meant unconscious, not subconscious. I really don't like to be corrected when there isn't a reason to be corrected.

And if I have?

Then you know what's going on inside of your unconscious mind. You know, you're really good at piecing things together.

Regardless of what you consider it, you need to learn about it, so you can stop complaining that others haven't presented evidence against your asinine claims when it's your responsibility to back them up in the first place.

I need to learn about it? It's the responsibility to provide proof. What, you think it's a difficult concept to grasp? You provide credible proof for your opinion of suicide, whatever your opinion may be, and I'll provide credible material to back up my side of the argument.

Call it an informed guess.

An informed guess? So you have some sort of record on me? Some legal document, maybe, or perhaps an IQ test? If you don't have anything, then it can't possibly be an informed guess, now can it?

And you can tell wrong. But that hasn't stopped you before.

No, I can tell. You don't know the terminology, the basic teachings, but most importantly, you never even thought about looking in the DSM.

When?

In an earlier post. I said that I've been depressed before, but that fact alone doesn't give me any valuable information about the psychology of depression. Then you went on to say that being depressed and having depression are two entirely different things, and that most people diagnosed with clinical depression have literally never been depressed in their entire lives, or some bullshit of that nature.

Have they been diagnosed by professionals, or self-diagnosed?

Professional diagnosis.

While sugar may be a decent argument, kids today don't really have more energy than they used to. They just have less discipline. More inactivity would lead to less energy (lower metabolism) and higher childhood obesity rates, which is exactly what we're seeing. That combines with the sugar issue, of course.

Alright, that makes perfect sense. I could see ADD/ADHD developing due to lack of discipline.