Suicide

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Doesn't mean they do, either.
The point you continually fail to grasp is not only that it is still difficult for people with depression to seek help, but that people with causes for depression are much less likely to have the people that care about them to hold said intervention.

Perhaps, yes, but until you show me actual statistics that say otherwise, I'm sticking with my argument.

You keep claiming that depressed people don't think clearly -- how will an intervention help, if that's the case?

Because they're not psychotic. Although they don't think clearly, they still possess logic and reason, and sometimes it takes the words of loved ones for somebody to acknowledge that they have a serious problem and need help.

The underlying problem could be feelings of worthlessness. If it's not, it causes the feelings of worthlessness, which then lead to depression. You're still not understanding the difference between causes and effects.

No, the feeling of worthlessness is an overlying cause for some deeper underlying cause. This is so because feelings of worthlessness don't just pop up out of thin air. They develop over time. Through what purpose, however, is the difficult question to answer.

Nobody mentioned screwing monkeys, kid. Keep your fantasies to yourself.

It's reality for me.

... no, not as far as we know. as far as the civilized, technologically and medically advanced world knows, HIV came from Africa. Period. End of discussion. But if you need some evidence ...

No, as far as any uneducated sociologist knows, AIDS came from Africa. AIDS is an anomaly of a virus, which can't be pinpointed to any one cause. All people have are theories, and some of the theories just so happen to include being transmitted by monkeys.

I'd imagine it's too much to ask for credible evidence to back up your asinine claims, ain't it?

No, if you want it, then all you have to do is ask. However, right now, you're merely asking if it's too much to ask for evidence, so you've still failed to ask me to prove my point, and therefore, I won't just yet.

I never said that having depression gives "immediate background information on the brain".

Yes, you did. Or at least, your words brought me to the assumption that that's what you meant. If you want me to understand you more clearly, then go into greater detail about that of which you speak.

If they didn't know a damn thing about it, they wouldn't know they "have a major screw loose".

It's not that hard to figure out that you've been depressed on and off for quite some time.

Bcause the psychologist has had more than two entry-level college courses, that's how.

What a coincidence. So do I!

First, I'm not your friend, kid.

That's only because you're in denial. We are two peas in a pod, and deep down at the bottom of your black heart, you know it.

though I do find your back-peddling and contradicting amusing.

I can honestly say the same thing about you.

It's your job to back them up, not my job to show you how wrong you are.

Isn't the point of a debate to show your opponent how wrong they are?

Read it again -- I said "if". If they get help, they learn more about it. I wouldn't strengthen your argument if you actually knew what I said. Try again.

But, like you said, the population of people who do get help for their problems is very minimal, so there's actually not that many people with the disorder who knows a lot about it. I hope you realize that by arguing this point, you're contradicting what you previously stated.

Coming from you ... that really doesn't surprise me.

It doesn't surprise me that after those examples I gave, you still think that common sense is right. One hundred years ago it was common sense that man couldn't walk on the moon. 500 years ago it was common sense that man couldn't fly. Is common sense still right? Many things that supposedly hold water today, won't a hundred years from now.

They're just not thinking clearly, according to you. How can you claim that something is a conscious decision if they aren't thinking clearly? There are defenses for murders that consist of that very argument.

As I said before, they're not thinking clearly, but they're not psychotic.

we don't believe you.

You have a dual personality? Sweet!

that one has to be depressed all day, every day for fourteen days to be diagnosed with depression.

No, no, no, that's not what I said. I said they have to be depressed most days continuously for two weeks. If you don't believe me, then just go look it up in the DSM. That's literally where I got this diagnosis from.

you might as well just keep piling it on and claim you passed them with flying colors.

I got two B's and I was exempt from the final in abnormal. I'd call that passing with flying colors, considering that I was, both times, one full letter grade above the lowest passing letter grade.

... but you didn't. Which was your argument. Are you going to claim that you just missed it, or are you going to admit that you tried to bullshit your way out of it?

No, I think it means that since you said it, even though it was a given in my first post, that you're going to make a big deal about it until I admit (lie) that I was wrong. Unfortunately for you, my very good friend, I'm as stubborn as they come.

And according to that argument and your first or second post here, those who attempt suicide just like the attention.

No, they want attention, because they don't really want to kill themselves. They want somebody to listen to them.

By the way -- the concept of the unconscious mind wasn't developed by Freud, it was developed by Schelling, who was an incompetent schmuck who mostly wrote jumpy and illogical nonsense.

So now you claim that there is no unconscious mind. So tell me, why is it that you are the way you are today? Why do you walk the way you do? What about your mannerisms? Or about the way you think? It's all in the unconscious mind, as long as you haven't been evaluated by a psychiatrist.

There is by you -- well, nevermind, that's an assumption. I can only assume that you are truly ignorant of the burden of proof, instead of knowing about it and simply ignoring it.

Well, burden of proof isn't a topic. It's to provide proof for as a responsibility. It's not my fault that you suck at wording your sentences.

It's not like you just get a lot of energy for a while, kid.

I never said it was. All I said was that it would be fun to have Mania for a few days. I'd get a lot accomplished... Actually, no I wouldn't. I would get a lot started, but I would never be able to finish anything.

And I never said that I haven't gone through half a dozen psych courses, but you make ignorant assumptions anyway.

Well you make the assumption that I'm an idiot, so I guess that makes us even. I can tell, just for the record, that you haven't taken any psych courses.

I'm sure we know whether or not you have any experience whatsoever with psychological disorders ... at least deperssion, anyway.

I told you that I've been depressed before, but I never stated the severity. And if you care to know, I have quite a few anxiety disorders, including OCD and GAD, among others.

Judging the disorder from a personal viewpoint with no personal experience? Sounds like that's not a smart thing to do.

Did I ever say that I don't have personal experiences?

Can't control your kids? Dope 'em up!

The diagnosis for ADD and ADHD aren't exactly precise anymore. Kids have too much energy, more than kids used to have. I'm not sure why. Maybe it has something to do with inactivity, or perhaps too much sugar or soda. Or perhaps the parents themselves are just too damn lazy to look after their kids. Psychologists haven't been able to put a finger on the reasoning for the increasing numbers, but it is an interesting topic.