Quote Originally Posted by Behemoth View Post
You're misinterpreting the process of belief. In Christianity, Jesus has already died for our sins, past, present, and future. Before then it was pretty much difficult for any man to get into heaven or hell. Once Jesus sacrificed himself for all of mankind it made it easier on those very same souls who are decent people to enter heaven despite any sins they commit. The understanding within that historical event was it actually made it easier for one to CHOOSE to accept Jesus as their savior [hence him becoming a martyr] and lead a selfless life devoted to that deed in which will allow you to enter the gates of heaven.
Wait...what? It was difficult for people to get into heaven AND hell? I know before Christ that getting into heaven was more difficult and required animal sacrifices and such, but I have never heard that part about hell before...where did people go then? o_O Limbo or something? Because I thought that was just a Catholic belief.

Alright, let's presume Christianity is real and every historical event regarding supernatural occurrences is true. In my example, let's say God didn't create the flood and allowed millions of people continue to rape, pillage, and kill each other. Fast forward today, what do you think the world would be like? Or hell, would there be any world left with so much chaos? Would you be alive today sitting at your computer and writing any of this out or would you be held at gun point by somebody who wants to use your body? With so much pain, suffering, and misery in that world do you really believe it was wrath that God brought upon his people?
Oh I understand why he did the flood, things were so corrupt that he effectively had to hit the "restart" button. Humanity would have either become progressively more wicked or everyone would have just contracted AIDS or something and died out. But all I've seen in the Bible and heard in many churches is that Jesus is the only way into heaven, and if you don't accept him you're off to hell, regardless of how good a person you are. I'm saying that if that's true, it's not particularly fair or just of God to throw someone into hell simply because they didn't believe in Christ, especially if they never even had any way of hearing of him in their lifetime. Or are you saying that Jesus ISN'T needed and just makes the process easier? Because that's contradictory to everything I've ever heard and learned about Christianity.

Your mother isn't a hardcore Christian then. In fact, she's not a Christian at all for forcing it upon you. In truth, REAL Christians do not force their beliefs upon you, but rather preach the gospel and allow you to choose the same way God does to find salvation or not. Still, at least it shows she cares about you and doesn't want you to end up in an eternal life of pain.
Ha, I've actually told her that on a few occasions. Also I once compared her to a Pharisee by pointing out to her how she will always pray in front of me or my dad to make herself look good. At dinner she'll go into these long-winded prayers and she'll even pray out loud before driving somewhere. It's completely unnecessary to pray out loud like that, and well, when I told her all that she just quickly changed subjects.

Ha, that's a huge assumption to say nearly all Christians who are presented with the idea of evolution to plug their ears up and refuse to research its theory. What's even more ironic and contradicting is how many science fanboys and anti-Christians plug their ears and yell "lalalalala" becoming too stubborn to understand what a Christian has to say and in the end crying "I'm right, you're wrong!" like a child.
Um, you missed something:

Quote Originally Posted by VengefulRonin View Post
Oh and btw, nearly all Christians I've seen who are presented with the idea of evolution (or even that the world is older than 6 to 10 thousand years) DO go "lalalalalala" and refuse to even research the topics.
Notice that "i've seen" part in there? Yep. I know there are Christians out there who don't yell "lalalalalala" and even do believe the earth is more than 10 thousand years old. There are even Christians who believe God made the evolutionary process.They just seem to be very few and far between (either that or there are alot of them and they just aren't vocal).

What's even funnier is those same science fanboys and anti-christians won't do their OWN research into evolution OR the big bang to realize the many holes in each theory. No, they eat up everything the science community says is true because they A) Don't want to be judged for their sins and wish to live a sinful life so they attack God or B) Have lived a life of ignorance as to what they think is right. It's really a sad thing too because THEY become hypocrites by forcing THEIR beliefs on Christians when they have no right too. Debate against them? Sure, but to down right attack the other side is something only a child would do when things aren't going their way.
Aye, that is true, both sides can be pretty...pushy, shall we say. I myself actually don't believe in evolution. People didn't come from monkeys, birds didn't come from dinosaurs (I believe a few years some scientists actually discovered that, surprise, dinos didn't turn into birds! but it was kept hush hush). It's all just adaptation, I don't think all life started from a single-cell organism. The chances of that happening are so remote that there is almost certainly SOMETHING out there that spurred creation.