I hear a lot of people complain about how hard Demon Souls and Dark Souls is and the difficulties about the game are exaggerated on sites like memebase and other such sources. When I go back and play games of the older gen, I personally find games back in the Atari, NES, SNES, and Genesis era much more difficult than people make Demon Souls/ /Dark Souls/Dark Souls II out to be, for example, my friend and I went and played Super Empires Strike Back for the SNES and the first level was very far from being a basic first level. The following levels after it left very little room for being able to make progress because there are so many enemies coming at you, there are icicles randomly popping up out of the ground, there are deep spike pits that are easy to end up falling into if you're not careful.

What games do you, personally, find very challenging? also do you think modern games like Dark Souls and Dark Souls II are harder than games of the past?

Also I hope this topic doesn't already exist. EDIT: looked at the GG forum to see if there was one like it, looks like i'm in the clear, if there is a similar topic already existing, just let me know mods.