Hah. I just noticed that this has been moved to GC. May I ask why?

Intellect: involving thought and reason.

Discussion of these groups requires both thought (what are the groups) and reason (why are the groups, why does one fit into said group, etc.).

I think these groups that Gypsy Elder et al. have defined are fairly accurate, and one would be hard-pressed to claim that they don't exist, so why all this rabble-rousing?

More often than not, a thread becomes interesting through the responses, not the topic as defined in the OP. By virtue of contributing to this thread in an effort to extirpate it, it has become silly. Had people came here, looked at the groups, discussed how valid or desirable the labels are, and discussed this intellectually (using both thought and reason), then it would be choice. But no.

So I suggest changing the name 'rabble-rouser' to 'degenerate' (having lost good or desirable qualities).