There's something about this discussion that bugs me, RagnaToad. (Phoe)Nix is clearly stating his point of view while you only criticize it. When he questions your view you attempt to render the inquiry invalid either by saying that you haven't stated your opinion or that he's just "ridiculing" you. It's great that you're attempting to inspire thought, but this isn't really a debate. It's a critique.
I don't think that Phoenix, nor a large portion of people who take a similar stance, think they are murdering children here. An "unborn child" is just that, unborn. There is the consensus that "they" (which are not actually "they"), as a human being, have not yet come into existence. There is a sentimentality that is riddled throughout our language and it is easy to get lost in it, but it truly only expresses the POTENTIAL for life and not life itself. It is impossible to end what has not begun. That is why he feels that conception alone does not make it human and can likened to sperm, I believe.
I believe he has drawn the line clearly enough and explained why he believes it's appropriate. Isn't it only fair that you do the same? With this particular subject I find failure to do so akin to sitting on a pedestal and lambasting dirty mortals for their ignorance without putting forth any effort to enlighten them. I'm guessing that is not what you intend, but it will probably end up looking that way.
Edit: You're quick, Phoenix. =P
Originally Posted by Andromeda
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