Vayne's True Motive??? Help me on this one. (SPOILERS)

[Locke4God]

Short and Sweet, I don't think I get it,, or maybe I do and it's more simple than I think it should be.


Bascially he was after world domination like most villians, but, he had also discovered the influence of the gods, and wanted what our heroes wanted, which was to break humanity from that influence?

[loaf]

He is being used by Vanet. Vanet wants the Humans to be free without the control of the Occuria or something like that.

That's all I can remember.

[Zargabaath]

I disagree that he is being used by Venat, though there is a theory out there that I've read stating that Venat wanted to wrest control from Gerun and the other Occuria.

In the Pharos Lighthouse when Balthier makes the comment that he [Dr. Cid] is being used by Venat, Cid replies, "How quaint. We are allies". Venat wants the world to be free of control from Giruvegan (i.e., the Occuria), so too does Dr. Cid and Vayne want this as well. To be their own masters, to have "history back in the reins of man" as Cid often said. Each one: Vayne, Venat, & Dr. Cid were a bit different. Venat just wanted mankind to be free of the Occuria. Dr. Cid wanted to become a "god" -

Balthier: You made your Nethicite for this. You mimic the Occuria's stone for what? To become a god yourself?

Dr. Cid: On whose shoulders better to stand than the would-be gods! -

(Some good dialogue).

Vayne wanted to become the new Dynast King, in his eyes a true Dynast King, to bring peace for the world under his rule, to free mankind from the tyranny of the occuria so that they are no longer puppets.

In the end only one of these three accomplish their goal(s) - Venat. After Vayne Novus has been defeated...

Vayne: Venat! I have failed us both. I am no Dynast-King. You must find another. One who might realize your ambitions.

Venat: They are fulfilled beyond your knowing. The Cryst is sundered, age of
Stones complete. From the undying ones the world is freed. You shall not tread this path alone. Together we go. Come.

What Vayne says is quite unique in respect to Final Fantasy villains as he does not see himself worthy, he is humble with that statement instead of being "vain" and taking the whole world or everyone in the battle with him.

What Venat says is even more unique and a first for Final Fantasy villains. Venat walking down the path of death along with her ally. The final battle between the party vs. The Undying - the party is supposed to win for Vayne & Venat to walk the path together. In past FFs the villains went into the final battle believing they would win. Vayne and Venat go into the final battle to die.

[Locke4God]

Good stuff.

I don't know why I didn't reply sooner, but thank you.

I wonder though, why exactly did the stones themselves allow the occuria to control man? I know the stones are powerful, but I didn't catch when and where the occuria influenced anything anyway.

Also, what exactly was so important about Raithwall? Did he know about the gods? Did he support or oppose the gods?

I just missed some key elements maybe.

[Zargabaath]

Good stuff.

I don't know why I didn't reply sooner, but thank you.

I wonder though, why exactly did the stones themselves allow the occuria to control man? I know the stones are powerful, but I didn't catch when and where the occuria influenced anything anyway.

Also, what exactly was so important about Raithwall? Did he know about the gods? Did he support or oppose the gods?

I just missed some key elements maybe.

The stones didn't posses mind controlling abilities. The Occuria approached the Garif first but they did not know how to use the stone. The Occuria then went to a hume, Raithwall, because they judged him to be the best to unify all of Ivalice. Raithwall knew how to use the stones' power.

Raithwall was Ashe's ancestor who formed the Galtean Alliance which pretty much covered the whole map of Final Fantasy XII. During his reign, Archadia and Rozzaria were just city-states. Two houses were born of Raithwall's lineage after the reign to Raithwall's direct descendants, House Galtea, drew to a close: House Nabradia and House Dalmasca. He knew about the gods, the nethicite, the sun-cryst, etc because the gods appeared to him with a mission. He supported the gods actions because with their stones he unified all of Ivalice and a Golden Age was born where peace reigned till House Galtea was no more, which lasted 400 years.

[Locke4God]

Ok,, interesting I got that. Good stuff. thank you!

Questions though. Why was it so important to end the god's influence? Raithwall accepted that influence because it brought peace. And if the stones don't allow the Occuria to have a direct influence, then why does it matter if the stones are destroyed? I get that it prevents a catastrophe, but how does that end the influence of the Occuria over the history of man?