cannabis sativa

[marf]

thei thread is open to people who wish to talk abot legalizing marijuana.

my opinion is that they should becuase it isnt man made
and legalizing could drop the crime rating alot in america

what do you guys think about it

[GypsyElder]

In my opinion, it doesn't matter whether it's legalized or not, people will still use it regardless. I find it funny that it's illegal here, but it's a huge cash crop in California. I learned that in Econ. I don't really care if it's legalized because I don't really smoke.

Rank crop and Average production value ($1000)

1 Marijuana
$35,803,591

2 Corn
$23,299,601

3 Soybeans
$17,312,200

4 Hay
$12,236,638

5 Vegetables
$11,080,733

6 Wheat
$7,450,907

7 Cotton
$5,314,870

8 Grapes
$2,876,547

9 Apples
$1,787,532

10 Rice
$1,706,665

11 Oranges
$1,583,009

12 Tobacco
$1,466,633

13 Sugarbeets
$1,158,078

14 Sugarcane
$942,176

15 Sorghum
$840,923

16 Cottonseed
$821,655

17 Peanuts
$819,617

18 Barley
$653,095

19 Peaches
$474,745

20 Beans
$467,236

[Che]

Legalize it so I can stop drinking and ****ing up my liver, brain cells and whatever else. Oh, and so I can stop having hangovers. Tax it like liquor so the big guys can make money off it.

[Pete]

I'm torn on the subject. On one hand, it IS a natural crop that does grow. It's far more natural than 80 year old men taking pills to get their dicks up. Plus if it is legalized, then you wouldn't have to worry so much about it being laced with anything, since the government would regulate it. That would also presumably mean regulated THC levels.

Though, the same could be said about cigarettes. If we get big marijuana, like we have big tobacco, who knows what kind of harmful shit will be added to blunts, just so they can become addictive enough, or burn long enough.

On the other hand, it can really **** with your head. I've seen some kids freak out hardcore from blazing, and paranoia is a major side effect. This can be due to the fact that they're afraid of getting caught blazing, but still. Then again, with booze, people can get pretty reckless too.

I don't smoke, so I don't really care. I've done my fair share of stuff in the past, but I've grown up.

[OceanEyes28]

People drink responsibly and people smoke responsibly. People abuse alcohol and people abuse marijuana. The difference is, you can get sick and die from abusing alcohol.

And the difference between legal and illegal is who makes money off of it. I say legalize it, tax it, and let's pay for health care.

I am not a smoker. But people getting righteous over pot use as they get wasted on weekends are amusing at their best.

[Dodie16]

I don't smoke marijuana (or anything else for that matter), but I have a few friends that do. I honestly don't see the appeal, because after they smoke up they either act really goofy or really mellow. I don't want to put anything in my body that makes me lose any sort of control over my actions.

As for legalizing it, I really don't have any strong feelings either way on the subject. I do see the pros of legalizing it, like for health related stuff (like helping cancer patients deal with the side-effects of going through chemo), but I see cons as well. I do think that marijauna is a gateway drug, so once you become tolerant to it's effects, then you may want/"need" something stronger to get the results that you once got from just lighting up a joint. But I also think that it really depends on the person if that indeed happens or not.

So I think that if people can be responsible about it, then I say that I have no problems with the legalization of marijuana.

[nix]

I don't want to put anything in my body that makes me lose any sort of control over my actions.
.

You dont lose control of any of your actions when high on weed, you can do everything you can sober while stoned. FACT

There is no reason to keep weed illegal, it will solve alot more problems than it would create. Honestly, i cant see it causing any problems what-so-ever.

I dont think it should be just legalised, I think it should be mandatory for all.

The world would be a better place with happy stoned people

[GypsyElder]

You dont lose control of any of your actions when high on weed, you can do everything you can sober while stoned. FACT

You don't see people getting pulled over and killing others because of stoned driving, unlike alcohol, yet alcohol is legal.

I have tons of friends that drive faded with no trouble at all.

[Maridia]

Legalize it. I don't smoke, never even tried it. I know tons who do though. It's something we can throw a tax on and put to better use. Mass has new tax on all alcohol which has made people irate. Do it with weed too. Actually if you have less than an ounce it's only punishable by a fine here. Just like the bunny ranches where the government gets their cut they seem happy about it. Do the same with weed. With how America seems to want to scrounge up whatever money they can dig deep for that cash...you can't stop people from smoking. Just like you couldn't stop them from drinking during Prohibition. So why not make money off of it?

[loaf]

For being the TFF pot head, all I have to say is I don't care.

I mean I see it like this.

A) It's legalized. Prices go up, dealers lose their best job ever. No worries about it, less tension on it from police.

B) It stays illegal. Prices stay (which suck here). Dealers keep their best job. Police will still make it a big deal.

That is all I see with it being legalized.

[Pete]

It's def possible to do things while blazed, and yet sometimes it's not. I know kids who can drive, do homework, be totally dominant in games, all while high. I also know kids who become dumb as shit. Some people smoke themselves so stupid that even the simplest things become a chore. One kid started to get dry mouth, so he got some water, and I shit you not, could not find his mouth. He spilled 2 glasses all over himself, and was like "why the hell am I still so thirsty, I had 2 glasses of water."

[nix]

One kid started to get dry mouth, so he got some water, and I shit you not, could not find his mouth. He spilled 2 glasses all over himself, and was like "why the hell am I still so thirsty, I had 2 glasses of water."

rofl!!

Classic, i love that, but the thing is, if he wanted, he could snap out of his daze/trance whatever if he wanted at the click of a finger, he should have in his instance

[loaf]

It's all a mental thing. Now I know a long time ago when I used to smoke with my friends, I would just sit there and watch him play Halo 3 all night. Hell I don't even remember most of those times, but back then, playing games was hard for me. I was still getting used to being that high. Now? I can do everything high, it's become a second nature that I enjoy having while doing things. But I have been smoking less lately. Need a tolerance break.

[marf]

yeah i remember when i first started it hard to keep control
but after three years of blazing it up with homies i got used to it. now i can do preety much every thing wwile still faded. it just makes the day alot better and funner especially when you have white widow

[GypsyElder]

yeah i remember when i first started it hard to keep control
but after three years of blazing it up with homies i got used to it. now i can do preety much every thing wwile still faded. it just makes the day alot better and funner especially when you have white widow

From the looks of it, I'd say you're faded now, am I right?

[marf]

nah i just dont pay much attention to what im typing cause i
type fast and dont reread what i typed thats why its all jacked up

["Sunglasses"]

LOL Cannabis is what caused the death of bruce lee

[marf]

its impossible to overdose on weed

[Meier Link]

I think that it should be legalized here in the states, as others have said before me it is a good way fro the government to make a quick buck plus there are teh benifits in the medical feild also.

Honeslty if I had a choice to be in an auto accident with a drunk or someone that is stoned out of their mind I would say I would rather hit the stoner; you know he is goign to be the observant one that is so parinoid he is going 20 MPH under the speed limit.

I will admit I have partaken on many rips of the good old smoking accessories in my time and I have since grown out of it due to RDTs and other reasons which I will keep to myself. I think that a schmoke is fine if one chooses to do so, to one eats their own right?

Also Nix brings up a good point, if someone is in the need to kill the ride all they have to do is think about what the **** they are doing. Weed is a damn good concentration drug if you use it to your advantage. Hell I say prescribe it to kids with ADD.

[ViviMasterMage]

Also Nix brings up a good point, if someone is in the need to kill the ride all they have to do is think about what the **** they are doing. Weed is a damn good concentration drug if you use it to your advantage. Hell I say prescribe it to kids with ADD.

I agree with this.

I have a brother with ADD and he has taken weed since he was 15. While on weed he seemed to calm down and sit himself in front of the T.V. playing FF. I remember sitting on the arm of the chair with him just watching get a gold chocobo or beating Kuja.

The downside to this is that if he is out of cash, he would go absolutely insane. He would keep asking my mum for money and if she said no... well then I had to put on my earphones because his screaming was terrible. It went on and on. Don't worry, there wasn't any violence, he knew what was wrong. (I feel like the older brother here... Hehe.)

I have to say that now that he is 21 though, he has calmed down completely, without the use of weed. He has a 2 year old daughter and a girlfriend with a house of his own. I guess I can thank weed for that, I suppose.

[marf]

this is kind of late but i also dont believe in the gate way theory
i think that people have choices and they probaly do other drugs because
of peer pressure
im just glad that i had the power to say no to other drugs
all i can say is keep it natrual

[Govinda]

this is kind of late but i also dont believe in the gate way theory
i think that people have choices and they probaly do other drugs because
of peer pressure
im just glad that i had the power to say no to other drugs
all i can say is keep it natrual

This


is why you should not smoke too much weed.

[marf]

what the **** do you mean

[Alpha]

all i can say is keep it natrual

Going by this, we should also legalise opiates? Consider these case-by-case. Just because something is 'natural' doesn't mean it's beneficial.

[Govinda]

I think it should be available to ill people, but only to them. It's dangerous.

Back home I live on a big seller street. Almost everyone grows it in their attics or gardens to get some extra money. They sell it to teenagers, who prefer it to school. They sell it to parents, who prefer it to taking their kids to the park. They sell it to junkies who don't have the money for smack.

Marijuana is addictive in a way that alcohol isn't. People can say it's not addictive and doesn't **** with people's minds until they're blue in the face, but I have seen it. I've seen what it does to families and to poor teenagers. The middle class can hack it fine, because they've got comforts to return to once the high fades.

Weed more or less killed my best friend, years ago. I can't count on two hands the amount of people I've seen go hash - E/speed/MDMA - coke - smack. She was one of them. It doesn't happen to the comfortable kids who do it either. I've seen someone, a good friend, try to smoke a herbal ****ing teabag because she couldn't get grass and couldn't sleep without it. I've seen my dad stay up for three days and nights for the same reason, drowning himself in cheap whisky, looking for respite.

As you can probably guess, I've smoked a fair bit in my time. I'm really not keen on it anymore though. Rather a glass of wine and a cigarette.

Making it legal would clean up crime and cut down on so many bad things: sex traffic, violence, racketeering. I don't want to stick up for the gangsters, but I could never say that I'd be happy if hash was made legal.

[nix]

I'm sorry Govinda but weed didnt kill your friend by the sounds of it, she had no self control and abused alot of drugs. If weed wasn't about it would have been something else, she was a slave to the pleasure principle and doesnt sound like she did herself any favours in regards to keeping a level head when approaching the drugs.

I myself have gone from drink > weed > E > Coke > shrooms.

I decided i didnt like the majority of the above and stick only to weed and occasionaly drink.

It's a choice i made, something your friend could/should have done.

I'm sorry if you find this anyway offensive in respect to your mate, I'm not saying it to piss you off just meerley trying to highlight that everybody has a choice.

Weed cant kill, weed didnt kill your friend.

[Che]

Agreed with Nix, and not trying to be disrespectful. If it wasn't weed, it was something else.

I've ONLY drank alcohol and smoked weed, no other drugs. I won't ever do anything else in my life because I have no desire.

[Govinda]

I'm the same as you, Che. Won't do anything harder than weed, ever. And I'm not offended by either of you; I know in my heart that it would have been booze if it wasn't weed.

But still - the socioeconomic factors present in my region compound the harm that weed can do. That's why I'd never be happy to see it legal. It's just too easy a route, too easy an escape. My father is a very hardworking man with a strict work ethic, and he always has been, always will be; but he is still addicted, because it's just the way people grow up in the towns I grew up in. He doesn't try to get promoted because he's high, and the people who live around us are exactly the same. Nobody moves forward, because they don't care. Their reality isn't nice, so they get high rather than try to fix it. It's ridiculously prevalent, and keeping it illegal is one way to stem that trend, to try and stop them from just spending their lives selling and smoking.

Maybe it can't kill. But when you get a poor kid with no prospects and parents who light up constantly - where's the reason to move forward and get out of the shithole? Where's the motivation for self-betterment? It fades, because you can get high and then make a living growing, just like everyone else does.

[nix]

But thats the choice your father makes Govinda, im convinced everybody gets addicted to something at one point or another.

We all need to relax, some people smoke weed, some people drink, some take take prescription drugs when they dont need it, some smoke cigs and drink wine some work out, some play computer games, read books, watch movies etc

Regarding the job front, your father probably doesnt see much benfit for himself to give up what he likes and is comfortable with for more stress and work load for what i predict to be a small pay upgrade and the requirement to kiss more ass. Which is fine, im in the same boat, i dont want to climb the ladder in this place, i hate my job but due to recession im stuck in here and grumpy alot of the time.

In regards to legalising weed or not, it would be better for the community to have it legal as it will be regulated alot better and obviously not sold to people under the age of 18. I can confirm a drug dealer will not show any restraint in selling a minor any form of drug.

Wont stop minors from getting it i know, but im confident in thinking it will be alot harder for a minor to obtain if it were legal as opposed to it being illegal

[Govinda]

It would be alright if it was only my dad who had a shit job - but everyone in my area works in a shitty job because they left school when they were 15, and smoked a whole lot of pot. I did when I was a teenager too. I almost became one of them, but my mother saved me. And my dad, well...he hates his job, detests it, and it's not easy for him at his age (he's a scaffolder, heavy physical labour). I don't need to drink wine to sleep. That's the difference.

And the kids all get hold of alcohol very easily, through either older siblings or their parents. It's easier for them to get booze than it is for them to get grass, and I'd like it to stay that way. Ideally they wouldn't get drunk either, but they're unstoppable on that front, and their parents are in cahoots with them.

I see what you're saying, and the logical parts of me agree. But my upbringing makes me almost hate weed, so I could never agree, in good conscience, to it being legal.