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And when it comes to children, I believe they deserve the same rights as everyone else. This is not a view held only by pedophiles.
That I really can't agree with. I'm all for pedophile rights so long as they 'behave', but children just aren't up to what adults are. I don't even think there's enough of a minority who are capable of understanding the situation and making decisions that giving them the same rights can even be seriously considered.
Children ARE impressionable. I could very easily rig up a small explosive device and excite a random kid up enough to go blow it up somewhere. Not that I would, but it wouldn't strike me as being hard to do.
I might say there are some who are mature beyond their years a few years short of being 'legal', but they still don't strike me as a majority or even just larger sized minority.
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Originally Posted by Pete
****in a. I just spent the past hour typing up a response, only to have lost it.
Nothing worse then when that happens, I know that feeling all too well...
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As for comp files. If they say how to commit a murder, and you're the suspect in a murder where the killing matches that of the files, then yes, they're evidence. Same thing if you're on trial for molestation, and they find kiddie porn, your ship is sunk.
As far as this comparison goes, are drawn pictures of murder illegal? Or what about downloaded pictures from shock sites showing murder victims and the like? I would find it odd if those were illegal, especially as there's a good number of people into that stuff and I'm yet to hear of any number of cases concerning this material. As Fluffy did say earlier I believe, media concerning pedophilia including drawings and the like *IS* illegal. Freedom of speech they say... :lol:
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As for the legality of kids and their decisions. You tell me why a 10 year old can't get a tattoo, and I'll tell you why that same kid can't legally enter a relationship with an adult.
Ten year olds can get tattoos. It's illegal for a tattooist to give a child a tattoo, but once they find some guy who'll give them one, I've never known anything to happen to the child. And I know plenty of kids who've given themselves tattoos. The area I live in has a few people like that.
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This is the same thing with homosexuality and pedophilia. They might both be persuasions, but the difference is that the objects of desire is fully developed. I'm not gay, but I could tell you that some men are good looking compared to others; I could even say that so and so is attractive looking. However, with "normal" people, you never hear that a child is attractive. They might be a cute kid, but thats where it ends. No attraction whatsoever, despite both persuasions being abnormal.
I'm confused. Are you bisexual, confused, or straight and think that some guys have nice asses? The issue as I see it is that some are attracted to this, some are attracted to that, but some of those attracted to this may not neccesarily pursue this as they would feel it's wrong. I'll say it again, not all pedophiles are child molestors. They cannot help their attraction and there is NO EVIDENCE that drawings of pedophile acts will cause one to molest a child, just as there's no evidence a furry will look at his/her work and attempt to **** a squirrel. In terms of sexual activity I ask you this. If the average guy is pent up not having had sex or masturbating in ages, what will relieve it? Let me now answer with what I believe the answer to be. Either getting laid OR batting off to whatever floats a guy's boat. If a pedophile can relieve himself on a picture of a fictional kid rather than screw some random real one, ain't that at the very least a better thing to have happen?
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Also, Koda tells you exactly why she thinks illustrated porn and relationships should be illegal. She was a victim, is a mother and knows both victims and sex abusers. She has enough experience in her life to know what she feels is right for both her and for her family.
And I know some pedophiles well enough to tell you not all of them are scum of the earth. Hell, I had a mate confide in me after seeing one of my posts concerning pedophiles earlier. Good guy, he'd never hurt no-one. If people found out his secret they'd likely hurt him. I've been a victim of some things myself, but I recognise that not everyone who shares a trait of an abuser will act like that person. Generalising people like that ain't cool at all. I can understand her wanting to protect her family, I myself wouldn't let any pedophile mind my kids due to uncertainty. But I still feel it ain't cool to think negatively of all or even MOST pedophiles.
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Chez also brings up a good point. If you weren't a pedophile, would you be making the same argument? Personally, it seems that you are trying to justify your own beliefs by tackling the law.
What motivates anyone to do anything? If he didn't care about the issue at hand, why would he even create a topic? My reasons are solely that I don't like feeling that someone is getting ****ed over unfairly and that itself stems from me being ****ed over several times for my past character and actions. I don't personally believe in complete impartialness and I feel everyone here has some reason for thinking (and acting) as they do. Maybe they grew up in an outdated 'normal' society which never challenged it's views sufficiently? You never really know...
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Adult relationships extend much deeper than childhood relationships. Adult relationships encompass much more of the worldly matters that adults face on a daily basis. Work, sex, taxes, etc are all part of an adult relationship. Children's relationships don't extend much past kissing and going to the mall, and maybe sex if theyre both dumb.
True enough in general. Though some of the kiddies seem smart enough these days to go to a petrol station toilet and insert a buck or two into the ol' condom dispenser.
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As for kids being "property," I agree with that, but the word is wrong. The correct word would be responsibility. Having kids is a responsibility, and good parents would treat their kid as a prized possession. My parents certainly did. I was well-fed, well-educated and most certainly taught right from wrong, most definitely getting the boot to the ass when I did something bad.
Sometimes being treated like shit helps a person realise just how wrong some things are. If it doesn't turn them into what they once despised of course...
But I digress. My point is that being 'well-fed', 'well-educated' and brain was- errr... taught the values of someone else does not make you any more of a person than someone who was forced to learn things the hard way. Different people have different ancestors, all with different unique opinions.
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Originally Posted by Pete
In regards to homosexuality and paedophilia. They are similar in that they're both not "normal". That's as far as the similarities go. With homosexuality, more often than not, the attraction and acts themselves are between consenting adults, who are of age, or at least old enough to understand what's going on. Pedophilia is the attraction and sexual desire for prepubescent and other young children, who cannot legally give consent. They can give you an answer themselves, but have no legal right to do so, because science and the law state that their minds aren't developed enough to do so.
Whoever tries to argue against this point is completely missing the point.
I still don't think you should label something that isn't 'normal' 'wrong'. I'm guessing that more people have either physically or verbally assaulted another person than not throughout their lives, which would make the practices normal. Are they right?
I myself feel that a physical relationship between an adult and a child is wrong. But I also feel that sometimes people cannot help being who they are and it would be wrong of me to condemn them for something they haven't done and may never do just because I am aware it is their appetite. Some vegetarians miss the taste of chicken I'm sure...