Wikileaks strikes again!!!

**smurphy** · 11-28-2010, 12:22 PM

US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomacy crisis | World news | guardian.co.uk

So again an organisation fronted by an egomanical posturing gobsh*t( who is possibly also a rapist WikiLeaks founder faces Swedish detention over rape case | Media | guardian.co.uk) has again used its anonymous sources to release American state secrets.

So is this the a righteous act representing the freedom of information or a dangerous release of information which by rights should have never seen the light of day. Your thoughts?

**Alpha** · 11-28-2010, 01:30 PM

Wikileaks is the greatest thing to ever happen to transparency and government accountability. Well, at least on this side of the 20th Century.

I don't believe those charges of rape.

[Will post more later.]

EDIT: This is good: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/11/29/wo...note.html?_r=1

The Times has taken care to exclude, in its articles and in supplementary material, in print and online, information that would endanger confidential informants or compromise national security. The Times’s redactions were shared with other news organizations and communicated to WikiLeaks, in the hope that they would similarly edit the documents they planned to post online.

**Sinister** · 11-28-2010, 03:54 PM

Normally, I'm for anyone who exposes governmental dealings. It has numerous advantages...but this is a poor time for it. We need less things antagonizing the current world geopolitical state as possible. We don't need anymore stressors, especially not those that summon up the ire of the American government.

Every country has a time in it's history where it desperately needs dirty dealings and national secrets to survive. The USA has long outgrown that need and now is simply taking advantage...BUT, The USA is also potentially a great danger to the global community at this time. We don't need this taunting behavior from Wikileaks, now. We needed it during the Nixon administration or the Reagan administration. Right now we need a relaxed situation, particularly of foreign affairs. We aren't getting it.

-Sin

**che** · 11-29-2010, 04:01 PM

Originally Posted by Sinister

Normally, I'm for anyone who exposes governmental dealings. It has numerous advantages...but this is a poor time for it. We need less things antagonizing the current world geopolitical state as possible. We don't need anymore stressors, especially not those that summon up the ire of the American government.

Every country has a time in it's history where it desperately needs dirty dealings and national secrets to survive. The USA has long outgrown that need and now is simply taking advantage...BUT, The USA is also potentially a great danger to the global community at this time. We don't need this taunting behavior from Wikileaks, now. We needed it during the Nixon administration or the Reagan administration. Right now we need a relaxed situation, particularly of foreign affairs. We aren't getting it.

-Sin

This isn't the Dark Knight.

What we ACTUALLY need is for all corruption to be called out and dealt with accordingly. Only then will these things stop happening. It has nothing to do with timing. I do see your point, but I think we need to get to the real core of the problem.

**Sinister** · 11-29-2010, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by chad

This isn't the Dark Knight.

What we ACTUALLY need is for all corruption to be called out and dealt with accordingly. Only then will these things stop happening. It has nothing to do with timing. I do see your point, but I think we need to get to the real core of the problem.

I wonder if that glib rebuttal of yours is something you just couldn't resist or if you thought it out carefully. I really couldn't disagree more.

Wikileaks isn't there to help us police the American government, that wasn't it's purpose. And if you think they care, you're naive. The people who turn over information aren't all martyrs or heroes, they're not all doing it for good causes. And even if they are, I wonder if even they can forsee all of the results of their actions.

And it has EVERYTHING to do with timing. The Geopolitical norm is something like a Jinga tower...what you don't want to do is **** with it unless you know how. At a time where our economy is still recovering, where North Korea has begun attacking South Korea, where tensions between the US and competitor nations are beginning to soar, the helpful ministrations of a global espionage wikipedia releasing out our classified documents is not a blessing. If you think it's a cureall for government dishonesty, you must not realize the addictiveness of dishonesty. It's about as helpful as a land mine is at surgically amputating limbs.

I'm not crying wolf, the sky isn't falling...yet. And I'm not even spouting patriotism. But in such a tense time, I'd like a few less irritants and that's what Wikileaks is at the moment.

-Sin

**che** · 11-29-2010, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sinister

I wonder if that glib rebuttal of yours is something you just couldn't resist or if you thought it out carefully. I really couldn't disagree more.

Wikileaks isn't there to help us police the American government, that wasn't it's purpose. And if you think they care, you're naive. The people who turn over information aren't all martyrs or heroes, they're not all doing it for good causes. And even if they are, I wonder if even they can forsee all of the results of their actions.

And it has EVERYTHING to do with timing. The Geopolitical norm is something like a Jinga tower...what you don't want to do is **** with it unless you know how. At a time where our economy is still recovering, where North Korea has begun attacking South Korea, where tensions between the US and competitor nations are beginning to soar, the helpful ministrations of a global espionage wikipedia releasing out our classified documents is not a blessing. If you think it's a cureall for government dishonesty, you must not realize the addictiveness of dishonesty. It's about as helpful as a land mine is at surgically amputating limbs.

I'm not crying wolf, the sky isn't falling...yet. And I'm not even spouting patriotism. But in such a tense time, I'd like a few less irritants and that's what Wikileaks is at the moment.

-Sin

Eh, I don't think this is going to stir as much shit as people think. The guy doing this is probably doing more good than harm, I guess. With everytime a new wikileak is posted, the US is going to get better at making sure it doesn't happen next time. Obviously not all of these are meant in good fortune, but I don't think the guy has access to much.

And in the meantime, corrupt officials may be exposed, and I'm all for that.

**Sinister** · 11-29-2010, 07:31 PM

I agree, that is a plus. But it's debatably a temporary fix... Supposing it doesn't stir shit, which I think we all hope and it does expose some cretinous corrupt bastard. The greatest end result I see is that we teach the U.S. government how to cover their tracks better.

-Sin