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Did you even read my last post?
Are you going to keep asking if I even read your post, because I ought to ask if you even proof read your stuff. No, I'm not saying your English is bad, but you don't seem to know what you type.
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The two links I cited with statistical information showing the correlation between race and crime rates?
What, these links?
http://www.vdare.com/sailer/050213_mapping.htm
That does not count since Steve Sailer is not a recognized expert in the field, and is a racist idiotic buttplug. His constant linking to the Washington Times proves that.
If that link is not what you're referring to, then I apologize. If so, I'm sorry, it cannot be considered an accurate source.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/homicide/race.htm
Again, I suggested you apparently did not read it, because here's just some of what it says:
The race distribution of homicide victims and offenders differs by type of homicide
For the years 1976-2005 combined -
* Black victims are over represented in homicides involving drugs. Compared with the overall involvement of blacks as victims, blacks are less often the victims of sex-related homicides, workplace killings, and homicide by poison.
* Race patterns among offenders are similar to those among victims.
Although slightly less true now than before, most murders are intraracial
From 1976 to 2005 --
* 86% of white victims were killed by whites
* 94% of black victims were killed by blacks
Stranger homicides are more likely to cross racial lines than those that involve friends or acquaintances
For homicides committed by --
* a friend or acquaintance of the victim, less than one-tenth (8%) were interracial
* a stranger to the victim, one-quarter were interracial
You shoulda actually read the article.
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The links previously cited by others showing the correlation between race and crime rates, along with teen pregnancy rates?
The few other links given have horribly backfired on the people who posted them, so how does that prove their point?
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You were asked for your views on the subject
Which I gave, and which are pretty apparent from the nature of my responses.
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and until this post, hadn't cited diddly to support any of your arguments.
Uh...sure.
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And by the way, anybody who knows anything about research can tell you that wikipedia is nowhere near a reliable source. If you want to complain about opposing arguments not being supported (when they are), don't try to claim the higher ground by citing wikipedia.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! Prove it then. I hear that from so many people when arguing on the internet, yet they never back it up. Study after study has shown Wikipedia is as accurate as any other good source, so if you have a problem with the articles I posted, tell me the problem specifically and why the sources and citations the article uses are false.
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You must have forgotten the "Why hide your racist views?"
Wow, that was in the beginning of this thread, and was not targeted at you. I'm referring to people that make your stuff seem rated CE. I'm talking about the people who go, "I'm not racist..but...Mexicans are to blame for basically all issues. They are degenerate, raise the poverty and crime rates wherever they go to, all of their ways are disgusting, and I don't even like the way they speak Spanish! Yeah, that's another thing!? SPANISH! ONLY SPEAK ENGLISH! ONE NATION, ONE PEOPLE, ONE LANGUAGE! AHHH!" You get the idea.
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and, even better, "I live in Southern California, which is filled with cowardly racist, who always start off their dumb statements with "I'm not racist...but..."
According to your profile, you live in Wisconsin, so I don't see how that implies to you. However, it is true about here. Orange County, for example, is filled with the cowardly wannabe polite racist.
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It usually comes from the cowardly white racist, and they say it to me as if I'd agree with their crap, and the ironic thing is...I'm not white! Why preach to the people you hate?"
I don't see how that implies to you.
Nice try what?
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Comments regarding the racism of people like Spike Lee and Al Sharpton have already been posted.
Yeah, but without any context of why they are racist, what racist comments they have made, sources of such, and etc.
I mean you cited Steve Sailer and I gave a bunch of links, from his own website that show his racial and wacko mentality.
I'm sure those people are racist, but the black version of polite racist, but still show it. Come on...show me the links.
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Jesse Jackson isn't much different from Sharpton,
So?
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and Farrakhan has actually advocated violence against whites for no reason other than to gain power.
Yes, but he's considered a whackjob but most everyone in the US, and in the world, and does not have power. No one actually believes him when he says Jews are descended from space aliens who invaded the Earth. Seriously, is that the best example you got?
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Wrong. Most sensible people realize that the United States is under threat by ILLEGAL immigration.
What threat are they?
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The U.S. has always been welcome to legal immigration -- hell, even bringing refugees in from many, many other countries.
It's not welcome to legal immigration anymore it seems. Many people around me advocate removing references to immigration off the Statue of Liberty even, which is ironic since it wasn't even built by Americans.
The US does not really take in refugees much anymore.
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We just don't like it when illegal immigrants come, because they bring with them quite a few other problems.
What problems?
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There's no way to say that they're not criminals when their entry into the country is a crime.
Uh...yeah....
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Wrong. Very few of us evil white people
Who implied "evil white people" and who said I was talking about the majority of white Americans? I said majority of racist white americans, which aren't the majority of white americans.
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think "they are not worth much anyway" -- we just like the concept of individual responsibility.
Racist do not like the concept of individual responsibility. That would basically destroy their racist views then, since they think of people as collective units based on race.
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People with any skin color usually only have themselves to blame, not just those with a different skin color than mine.
True, individually that is usually the case, and redneck poor racist white trash never see it that way. They blame the darkies and others for their problems.
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I don't blame others for the problems I have -- or my race has -- so why am I blamed for the problems of others -- or other races?
Who's blaming you specifically for their problems?
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Seriously, where the hell do you get this stuff?
Uh, their own ideas. Maybe you should read some of these racist websites and "manifestos"
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Wow, exactly, because the United States has launched genocide after genocide against the whole of North America,
Huh? What are you talking about? And in what context? Of course America has committed genocide before.
You seem to think I imply these views are common to most white americans, and not just the racist ones, in the minority. You need to learn to read better.
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cultural wars against rap music and anything latino, and supports the destruction of every non-white civilization around the world. Right, kid. Keep going, this is getting more fun.
Uh...white racist do....
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Most people don't get mad because somebody has a Mexican accent or speaks Spanish
They do here. It goes like this:
"It's ONLY brown-skinned people. You can SEE their
differences. You have to look at their ugly brown skin while they walk,
drive, or shop in front of you. You may even have to hear a horrifying
accent if you have to speak to them. You may even walk by a bulletin
board, and become paralyzed when you see one of the postings that is in
SPANISH, and not English! Oh, the horror of it all!
But of course, nobody bothers with complaining about all the Chinese
who still don't speak English, or the Russians, or the other WHITE
ethnic immigrants. "
From a funny usenet post I found on the subject. Usenet is fun.
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it's when people can't speak English -- and thus refuse to learn English, then demand that the U.S. adapts to them -- that we get mad.
Only very elderly mexicans can't speak English and that does not impose on anyone. Again, it's just the whole dumbass mentality of one language, one people. I never see asians get bitched at for that reason.
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Wrong again. Damn, you're on a roll.
Um, thanks.
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But keep calling opposing views "stupid", it only helps you to gain respect and credibility.
When have I done that?
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Anyway, affirmative action is a program based in racism itself, for the supposed cause of counter-racism.
How?
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This leads to less qualified applicants being accepted (for loans, colleges, jobs, etc.) because of their skin color
Uh..proof?
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Why is it that racism by whites is evil and wrong,
Because racism is wrong...? Or it's not?
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though it hardly exists in America anymore,
While not in the mindset of the majority, it's not like it hardly exist.
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while racism against whites is socially accepted and even encouraged?
Oh yes, because all those white politicians, white businessmen, white people in power promote racism against white people!
How is it encouraged and accepted?
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Of course, everybody who disagrees with a social organized racism program that you agree with is racist and stupid.
Nooo, only when people inject race into the issue with the intent of deceiving people, like in this case, is it racist and stupid.
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Except that nobody here has said that. Keep trying
You've implied it, and keep trying what? You keep saying that, yet I have no idea what you are referring to.
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Nobody's said that skin color makes anybody more prone to anything, just that there's a correlation between skin color and these "certain activities".
That's basically saying that they are prone to it, instead of their socio-economic status being prone to it.
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Not that skin color causes them, only that the statistics are related.
Only that they are not.
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How is this so hard for you to understand? Let's re-re-organize this for you.
Teen pregnancy rates:
Blacks: 71/1000 (Utah) - 209/1000 (New Jersey)
Whites: 33/1000 (North Dakota) - 77/1000 (Arkansas)
Uh, I guess I have to post what it says again:
>>>The variation among states on all measures is striking. Teenage pregnancy rates in 2000 were highest in Nevada, at 113 per 1,000, and lowest in North Dakota, at 42 per 1,000, well below the national average of 83.6. Abortion rates were highest in New Jersey, with 47 abortions per 1,000 women 15 to 19, followed by New York, with 46 per 1,000; the Connecticut rate was 30 per 1,000. New Jersey also had the highest pregnancy rates among black teenagers, 209 per 1,000; the rate was 167 per 1,000 in New York and not available in Connecticut. New Jersey had the highest percentage of teenage abortions, 60 percent, with New York at 58 percent and Connecticut at 49 percent. Only 13 percent of pregnancies in Kentucky and Utah ended in abortion.<<<
Pregnancy rates for non-Hispanic white teenagers were highest in Arkansas (77 per 1,000) and lowest in North Dakota (33 per 1,000). For Hispanics, the lowest rates were in Mississippi (71 per 1,000) and the highest in Georgia (169 per 1,000). The lowest rate among black teenagers was in Utah (71 per 1,000).
I'll just keep copying and pasting, if you want.
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Yes -- I also know about "Louisianians" (whatever the hell that is)
People from Louisiana?
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/Louisianian
Geesh.
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racial differences, especially concerning Nagin's "chocolate city" comments.
AHHH! CHOCOLATE! AHH!
What the hell does that have to do with Louisiana's socio-economic situation, and how does that have any barring on anything?
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Not necessarily -- because Israel doesn't intentionally and generally mistreat Arabs means they are not mistreated.
But they do...
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Counterattacks and national security aren't "mistreatment",
Counterattacks on their own territories...?
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and neither are attacks on those who constantly support and participate in the destruction of Israel.
Where's this destruction if Israel? It's a thriving country last time I checked, and countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia aid groups who wish to destroy Israel, and Israel doesn't attack them.
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I suppose it's almost as much fun as having hundreds of civilian women and children slaughtered on buses
Hundreds of civilians are being massacred in and near Israel, usually by Israelis:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qana_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qana_airstrike
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mentally handicapped children being strapped with explosive vests
Uh...
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and rockets and mortars being aimed at schools, hospitals, and synagogues.
And rockets and mortars being aimed at schools, hospitals, and mosque. Yes?
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Then quit insulting your superiors
Who's my superiors?
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and start disproving sources presented against your arguments.
What, in the case of Steve Sailer? He disproves himself, I just gave links showing what a racist idiot he was, and that basically proves my point.
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Wow. Anything else you got?
Uh...
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Maybe some links to truthism,
Truthism is a small website that spams the internet with alternate history theories, what does that have to do with anything and why would that have any relevance on the topic at hand?
What does Al-jezeera have to do with Steve Sailer using the Washington Times.
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You think the Washington Times is "propaganda"
But it is propaganda. Was it not formed by nutcase Sun Myung Moon and has it not been used for decades to spread moonie right-wing insane propaganda? It's described as "the media arm of Reverend Sun Myung Moon’s Unification Church." for Christ sake.
Why doesn't he use the Washington Post?
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but have no problem with the New York Times, which has been shown many times to be extremely biased?
Wait, you guys used links from the NY times to try to prove your point, now it's extremely biased and unreliable? Come on, make up your mind.
Prove it's extremely biased.
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No, I didn't -- but I didn't mention it because it has absolutely nothing to do with crime rates by race.
Uh, yeah it does. Unless homocide is not crime.
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Crimes are crimes regardless of motive -- or victim, or reason, or method, or anything else.
Wait, this entire argument is about the motives of crime itself in relations to race, that there is this supposed correlation between race and crime. Don't you follow?
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You must have missed the statistics cited in the research you were so quick to dismiss
I have?
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along with the Department of Justice site.
Which didn't back up your claims.
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Take another look, and you'll realize that they very much do back up my claims -- and really, everybody's claims, except yours.
Couldn't find how they do.
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Where have any of "us people" ever said that race causes crime? Could you point this out?
I said you imply it.
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If you want to bring up other countries and other continents, we can talk about Africa all day long -- or the Middle East, for that matter.
What would be the point? It'd just give more perspective on the point that violence, crime, and other ills are caused by poor socio-economic issues. It'd just shoot yourself in the foot.
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But the topic at hand is the United States -- in which, there is a direct correlation between specific races and crime rates.
But there isn't. Just a correlations between socio-economic issues.
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Unless you'd really like to include crime rates (not just numbers, but percentages and rates) from all over the world, but if you know much, you know that they won't help your argument.
Huh? So there's a global example of darkies committing more crime than whities because of their skin color...what? I thought it would just prove my point more than countries with high crime rates are normally very poor countries.
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The numerous links provided here have backed up everybody's arguments except yours.
Show how they have.
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You've yet to disprove any correlation between race and crime, education, teen pregnancy, or poverty -- while correlation has been proven, you keep arguing against it, with no substance to your arguments except insults.
Uh..but I have...with basically every link I gave, including a few from you guys.
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Unless they're backed up by facts. Which they are. Keep trying.
But they aren't.
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When did I claim that blacks are more prone to crime "because they are black"? Maybe you should argue against what's presented, instead of fabricating opposing arguments.
You're the one implying it.
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Please don't tell me that you believe that the only thing something takes to be "proven" is a source to back it up.
What, simply claiming it proves it? Anyone can claim anything, it doesn't change reality. Reality is not democratic.
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And for somebody that claims that sources cited against you are "propaganda"
I've never claimed that. I in fact used many of the sources you gave against you, so how could I think they are propaganda.
You didn't like to the Washington Times, just the idiot you linked to used it as a source for his stupid articles.
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wikipedia is easy but inaccurate
Prove it.
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so I would suggest, if you want to be taken seriously, to start citing other sources.
I have. US Department of Justice for one...but sources don't matter to you, you've said many times it's just about the claims and how you talk. So I'll just talk now...if that makes you happy.
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Well, if you want to be taken seriously, I would first suggest changing your views
I'll play along. What should I change my views too?
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then citing other sources, but I suppose you should just take what you can get.
Again, I want to know what sources you'd approve of. I'll just use those.
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Uh ... thanks for proving my point that Judiasm is also considered somewhat of an ethnicity and not just a religion.
I didn't prove that though, it says on the article:
"Ethnic Jew" (also known as an "assimilated Jew," see cultural assimilation) is a term generally used to describe a person of Jewish parentage and background who does not actively practice Judaism but still identifies with Judaism and/or other Jews culturally and fraternally. The term "ethnic Jew" does not specifically exclude practicing Jews, but they are usually simply referred to as "Jews" without the qualifying adjective "ethnic". See: Ethnic group.
The term can refer to people of diverse beliefs and backgrounds due to the complex concepts of what makes a person "Jewish". Since "ethnic Jew" is often used to distinguish non-practicing from practicing ("religious") Jews, a more precise term might be "secular Jew."
"Ethnic Jews" include atheists, agnostics, non-denominational deists, Jews with only casual connections to Jewish denominations or converts to other religions, such as Christianity or Buddhism. Many secular Jews reject the traditional Halakhic view of Jewish identity being based on matrilineal descent, and consider someone Jewish if either parent is Jewish.
"Half-Jewish"
"Half-Jewish" is a term used to describe people who have one Jewish parent and one non-Jewish parent, though it is regarded as controversial. It has no significance as a religious category: while the major Jewish denominations apply different rules in determining the status of children of mixed unions, all versions of these rules agree that a person is either Jewish or not. As a result, many Jews reject the use of the term "half-Jewish," while others may use it to imply that Jewishness is more of a cultural or ethnic identity than a religious one.
People of mixed heritage may not fully identify as Jewish, regardless of whether they embrace Judaism as a religion. In the United States, because of intermarriage, the population of "half-Jews" is beginning to rival that of Jews with two Jewish parents, especially among young children. "Half-Jewish" is emerging as an independent identity with its own traits of tolerance and adaptation, but also perhaps a sense of detachment, spiritual indifference, or unclear identity.[32][33][34]
Other similar terms that have been used include: "Part Jewish", "Partial Jews". The term "Gershom", "Gershomi" or "Beta Gershom" has also been used as a alternative to "half Jewish" and "part Jewish" in connection with descendants of intermarriage (Gershom being the son of Moses and his Midianite wife Zeporah). [35]
The fact is, many races make up Judaism, it's not a race.
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When are you going to start citing sources that support your primary points, instead of not supporting any of your points or vaguely supporting points irrelevant to the argument?
Oh you're right, everything I cite backfires on me. Not like you. Oh wait...
But I want to play along, I want you to tell me why you're right about these specific topics, without much argument from me.
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Your quote: "most of them have an oppressive religious attitude". Generalized, incorrect, and most of all, ignorant.
How? Prove it.
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Actually, the group of people you're defending from Israel's actions are mostly Muslim extremis
Those people in Palestine are not mostly muslim extremist, and didn't have muslim extremist for decades until constant israeli oppression created an enviroment for them to thrive. Still, many of the Palestinian terrorist groups are not muslim extremist, like Fatah, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, etc, etc.
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which is why Israel is taking any action against them in the first place.
They are taking action against them because they don't want to give up their piece of land.
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But either way, it would be just as ignorant of a generalization as the prejudice you hold against Jews.
How am I predjuice against Jews?
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Except I did, by citing sources and statistics. You might want to actually look at them.
I have, but they don't support what you say. But whatever....
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Except that it DOES exist, and has been PROVEN to exist by the numerous sources you've been presented with here.
Yeah....
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Nobody's said that anybody is more "prone" to criminal activities,
You've implied it.
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only recognized the correlation, and the only reasons for this correlation that have been given are non-racial.
Actually, I haven't seen any reasons given for it, only attacks on the idea that socio-economic factors create these actions.
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The Department of Justice is a "retarded racist" source?
Nope.
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You've yet to disprove any argument I've made, which has simply been the existence of a correlation between race and crime/poverty/pregnancy/education.
Oh dear...