Y'know, it's interesting, because I also posed this question to another forum I go to, and the people there seemed to lean more towards Liberalism. One person talked about how, one thousand years ago, the UK, France, and Germany were made up of many different kingdoms who all warred on one another, and then later on, each of those states were formed from those kingdoms. Everyone was healthier and happier for it. He argued that human history is leading towards unification, and that realism isn't really a thing. Then again, I don't know that that really touches on governments spying on their people, or the very real oligarchies that control most of our lives. It was just interesting to me to see the rather different responses based on the two forums; is it an age difference (I know at least two of the guys on the other forum are older gentlemen), a difference of culture (be it geographically or forum based), or just a different outlook on life?

Also, I'll note that no one on that forum thought I was calling out modern American Liberals, or that I had an "axe to grind." It's as if they actually read the message before responding, and not just the thread title