Which is the greatest, VII or XII?

[Ralz]

I would say "which is worse," but... >_>

FFXII obviously beats FFVII.

While FFXII was incredibly boring and not very fun, it still beats FFVII in its cyber-punk blandness. (At least at the time of its release.)

But, I'd say both tie for a confusing/boring plot.

[Dodie16]

I would say "which is worse," but... >_>

FFXII obviously beats FFVII.

While FFXII was incredibly boring and not very fun, it still beats FFVII in its cyber-punk blandness. (At least at the time of its release.)

But, I'd say both tie for a confusing/boring plot.

You didn't used to think that FF VII had a confusing/boring plot. Behold my proof!

http://thefinalfantasy.net/forums/ge...ml#post1129108

Even if you delete this post like you did the other one which showed you were once a fan of Sephiroth, there's still that wonderful poll option at the top of the topic that shows which game you voted for that had the best storyline.

Isn't that just neat?

[Ralz]

You didn't used to think that FF VII had a confusing/boring plot. Behold my proof!

http://thefinalfantasy.net/forums/ge...ml#post1129108

Even if you delete this post like you did the other one which showed you were once a fan of Sephiroth, there's still that wonderful poll option at the top of the topic that shows which game you voted for that had the best storyline.

Isn't that just neat?

Is someone editing my posts...? I completely don't remember saying that.

Oh well, like it matters. Now I look back and scowl at the game for making me waste my time with Aeris/Aerith/Aeri-whatever.

[ViviMasterMage]

You didn't used to think that FF VII had a confusing/boring plot. Behold my proof!

http://thefinalfantasy.net/forums/ge...ml#post1129108

Even if you delete this post like you did the other one which showed you were once a fan of Sephiroth, there's still that wonderful poll option at the top of the topic that shows which game you voted for that had the best storyline.

Isn't that just neat?

Stop digging up the past, Dodie! Blackmail isn't good for you.

If you want to play that way, I'll dig up all the past about me beating you!

[Dodie16]

Stop digging up the past, Dodie! Blackmail isn't good for you.

If you want to play that way, I'll dig up all the past about me beating you!

Fine. At least I can own up to all my past defeats and all of my opinions. Speaking of digging up the past, here's a little something fun I found about YOU! Turns out you liked Sephiroth and even thought he deserved his own game!

http://thefinalfantasy.net/forums/fi...ml#post1210725

Even if you delete that post and pretend it never existed, SOMEONE QUOTED YOU SAYING THAT!!!

http://thefinalfantasy.net/forums/fi...ml#post1219632

Oh how I LOOOOVE the irony!!! I'm as giddy as a little school girl! Teehee!

[ViviMasterMage]

Fine. At least I can own up to all my past defeats and all of my opinions. Speaking of digging up the past, here's a little something fun I found about YOU! Turns out you liked Sephiroth and even thought he deserved his own game!

http://thefinalfantasy.net/forums/fi...ml#post1210725

Even if you delete that post and pretend it never existed, SOMEONE QUOTED YOU SAYING THAT!!!

http://thefinalfantasy.net/forums/fi...ml#post1219632

Oh how I LOOOOVE the irony!!! I'm as giddy as a little school girl! Teehee!

Erm... I just... I... I WAS A NOOB!

No, you want to know the real reason why that was there? It's because my friend is a big Final Fantasy 7 fan and he posted that. I for one hate Sephiroth and you know that Dodie because I, along with friends, destroyed him in the Final Fantasy 7 elimination thread!

[bahamuts heir]

I personally just didn't like 12 so I have to say 7.
And calm down bro, don't get so worked up.
Now for dodie and Kyle just stop blackmailing eachother u guys are friends u shouldn't do that.

[Ralz]

I did like the License Board system, however. (To keep with the topic.)

Dodie, let it go, Sephiroth is gone, its obvious we don't like him, AT ALL. Here, I'll say this for you.

"I LOVED SEPHIROTH! HE WAS SUCH A GREAT VILLAIN! THE BEST IN THE SERIES MIGHT I ADD! HE TOTALLY KICKS KEFKA'S AND KUJA'S BUTT ALL THE WAY!!!"

(Scarcastic comment is scarcastic.)

To remain on topic...

Balthier IS a badass though, and he alone saved the entire game from being worthless.

[bahamuts heir]

I did like the License Board system, however. (To keep with the topic.)

Dodie, let it go, Sephiroth is gone, its obvious we don't like him, AT ALL. Here, I'll say this for you.

"I LOVED SEPHIROTH! HE WAS SUCH A GREAT VILLAIN! THE BEST IN THE SERIES MIGHT I ADD! HE TOTALLY KICKS KEFKA'S AND KUJA'S BUTT ALL THE WAY!!!"

(Scarcastic comment is scarcastic.)

To remain on topic...

Balthier IS a badass though, and he alone saved the entire game from being worthless.

you sonova...jk but kuja is a god(of destruction), sephy is a bit of a momas boy, and kefka is a clown(takes out knife) and I want to stab him I don't like clowns

[Ralz]

you sonova...jk but kuja is a god(of destruction), sephy is a bit of a momas boy, and kefka is a clown(takes out knife) and I want to stab him I don't like clowns

Kuja is my favourite villain all the way. He remains the only FF villain so far who accomplished what all villains want to do: blow shit up. (But seriously, he destroyed Terra in, like, 3 seconds. An entire world, gone in an instant. Something Kefka nearly accomplished, Exdeath had his sights on and what Sephiroth could only dream about.)

As for Kefka, he makes all clowns seem like badasses and the king of creepies.

[bahamuts heir]

Kuja is my favourite villain all the way. He remains the only FF villain so far who accomplished what all villains want to do: blow shit up. (But seriously, he destroyed Terra in, like, 3 seconds. An entire world, gone in an instant. Something Kefka nearly accomplished, Exdeath had his sights on and what Sephiroth could only dream about.)

As for Kefka, he makes all clowns seem like badasses and the king of creepies.

O good for a sec I thought you thought kuja could get trumped(and he did all that with a single spell and in the end he ends up being a good guy but he's still such a badass) good you are sane.
And kefka scary when he's shooting giant exploding icicles at you:scream:

[sephirothsbigfan]

HEEEEEEEEEEEEY!! I love Sephiroth!! He is my all time favorite ff character and villain! And no i'm not sarcastic! I really really love him! He's my toughest villain i've ever faced in ff7 and in both kingdom hearts game. If you think he isn't so great then why is he the only final fantasy villain in kingdom hearts?
.....anyway i'll say it again that i like ff7 better than ffxii; hated the system in ffxii got on my nerves and had a very hard time making money and really preferred they kept the same system as ffvii and had a whoole lot more games and stuff

[Heartless Angel]

Gotta say 7. Of course, I also hated 12 with a Passion. The ONLY thing 12 had on 7 was the graphics, and those are just a bonus, not a selling point for a game. I've played through 7 more times than I care to remeber. I have at least 2 memory cards full of 7 data. 12 however, it took me almsot a year just to force myself to play through it. The story was forgettable, as were the characters. And I loathe the combat system. And I think I deleted my completed 12 file to Replay Valkyrie Profile. I'd talk about replay value, but for me 12 barely had first play value.

[Cloudluver101]

FF VII is better than XII. Xii had a interesting storyline but thats about all it did for me. Battling in XII isnt as fun as it is in other games. The whole line goes to target thing just confuses me.....

[Yuna]

VII chapter for sure...You can't compare the greatest of the episodes with XII...The party is amazing, all the characters have a reason to follow Cloud, sometimes, the locations were amazing, summonings too...I feel the XII one like incomplete for many reasons...

[TLO]

I think FF VII is known as the epic Final Fantasy, FF XII is just awesome because it's a new system, graphics are naturally better.

[fingerblaster69]

FF 7 is better because of the awsome story it has.

[kupo]

"which is the greatest" can't really be...measurable. bother have their pros and cons. IMO, 7 had a much more original storyline and more rounded characters than 12 did. on the other hand, 12 kicked 7's arse in the graphics department. personally, overall, i enjoyed playing 12 better than 7.

but, meh, its all relative

[firevaan]

XII was better in my opionion

[Xanatos]

Now that I've finaly beaten Final Fantasy XII I can leave an objective post regarding the subject. First of all I enjoyed playing both games, both have their pros and cons, though overall, I find XII to be better in many aspects. Like story for instance, while many complain about it I find it to be one of the best and by far the most original in the series. As for the characters, that round goes to VII, now, that doesn't mean XII had bad characters just not developed enough. XII battle system is superior in almost every aspect, battles are more dynamic, challenging and most importanly epic, the license board and gambit system were also nice, I love games where you're alowed to customize your characters the way you want.

One thing I'm really fond of are non random battles, even though I don't really hate random battles, still, you gotta admit, they can be annoying sometimes. That's one of the huge advantages to previous tittles, as are huge open spaces and enormous world to explore. One thing Final Fantasy VII can't compete with, not just VII but the others games in the series are huge amount of content XII has. All those items, magic, equipment, technics, creatures, monsters, summons, sidequests and many more, not to mention how much effort was put into Ivalice, and I don't mean visually, but history of Ivalice, races, people, important events etc. etc....The only thing left if is music, and we have a tie, both games have an excellent music, I simply can't favor one over the other. One thing I also need to mention, XII was way more challenging, I consider that a plus as VII was way too easy, though both games can't really brag with difficulty of their final boss...

With all that said, both games are not nearly good as Final Fantasy IX (jk. or am I?)

[loaf]

I hope people realize XII's battle system is Turn Based, just in Real Time.

[dkmjr96]

I do like both but i do have to sayyy........ final fantasy seven is more interesting to me because of all the thigs it has to offer you got the game (ff VII) plus the movie (advent children) the side games and manga (FF VII crisis core and before crisis) and finnaly the novel (on the way to a smile) but i also like FF XII so don't think im FF XII racist cuz im not.

[Aadria]

In my experience, no old FF game has been beat by a newer one. Well, in graphics of course, but other than that, the old games are superior in story and characterization and therefore, in my book, will always win. So, VII over XII, definitely. I've only played about 1/3 of each game, so who knows, maybe XII will change my mind. Unlikely, though.

[Sharpshooter]

God damnit it >=(
I knew FFXll would lose by a landslide
but I still voted for it anyway =/
FFVll has too much legacy behind it, so of course more people are going to vote for it...
oh well...

[Dan558]

I'm sooo glad FFVII is winning, it's amazing that it is even winning in the FFXII part of the FFF.

How FFXII got a 40/40 will always be a mystery to me. The game is boring, the characters are stale and the battle system isn't as remarkable as people seem to think. I think that the reviewers were so clouded by the new aspects of the game that they didn't take it at face value.

I used to be a big FFVII fanboy where i would hold it above all other games but I've grown to realize that others in the series do surpass it i.e. FFVI and FF Tactics (the original, God please forgive the gameboy ones for being garbage)

I don't really like FFXIII either but it kept my attention enough to finish it with commitment and even play it after beating it (mainly for trophies though...)

[Sharpshooter]

@Dan558
You should check the other posts in your "Why do people like this game, I don't see it..." thread.
Read the few posts and you'll see why the game got a 40/40, many people explained how it did.

As for FInal fantasy Vll, I know I won't be able to do much in defending Xll against a rival like that
Lol Final Fantasy Vll is like God compared to the others in public image! But there is still hope in trying.

[Dan558]

@Dan558
You should check the other posts in your "Why do people like this game, I don't see it..." thread.
Read the few posts and you'll see why the game got a 40/40, many people explained how it did.

As for FInal fantasy Vll, I know I won't be able to do much in defending Xll against a rival like that
Lol Final Fantasy Vll is like God compared to the others in public image! But there is still hope in trying.

Yea I read them, it was a matter of opinion between people like me and the few that are like the one or so guys that did the review at famitsu and loved it for whatever reason he did. But I see that score listed everywhere so I feel like that's probably what its riding on in terms of the majority of people not calling it a failure because other people will probably quote a few scores claiming it is good.

Not even comparing it to other final fantasies, it is a boring game, i can't finish it not because I'm like "I hope there's a Yuffie-like character" or "Where is all my chocobo raising sidequests?" It's because it's dreadfully boring or unexpectedly stupid (mostly from Vaan).

Comparing it to other Final fantasies though, the characters are weak, Balthier is the only one that feels like he belongs in a Final fantasy game.

[SuperSabin]

I can easily say that XII was my favorite over VII. Sure VII was a good game, but I prefer the awesome equipment options of XII, the great music, the gambit system, and other stuff. FFVII's storyline didn't make sense to me, still doesn't either.

I actually prefer the plot in other FFs games compared to these two, but out of the games I would pick here is XII without question.

[Sharpshooter]

@Dan558
Well looks like there is no changing your mind, but I can respect your opinion.

@Sabin Rene Figaro
Glad to see im not the only one here =P

[Dan558]

@ sharpshooter
Ok we can agree to disagree people have different opinions and I'm not going to hate anyone for liking XII, I just won't understand them for liking the odd things they do about the game

Gotta say 7. Of course, I also hated 12 with a Passion. The ONLY thing 12 had on 7 was the graphics, and those are just a bonus, not a selling point for a game. I've played through 7 more times than I care to remeber. I have at least 2 memory cards full of 7 data. 12 however, it took me almsot a year just to force myself to play through it. The story was forgettable, as were the characters. And I loathe the combat system. And I think I deleted my completed 12 file to Replay Valkyrie Profile. I'd talk about replay value, but for me 12 barely had first play value.

I think of XII in almost the same way, forgettable story and characters and barely a first play value. graphics were better but no sane person takes that into account when comparing games almost 10 years apart.

I've maxed out the clock a couple times in my many playthroughs of FFVII and I wouldn't even consider it my favorite FF anymore (played FFVI on the SNES but when i got it in Anthology I really fell for the game). FFXIII would have to be my second least favorite FF (not counting FFXI) and I still play that regularly because i don't actually dread it like XII