Dissidia Duodecim Announced

[FFTheBest]

And here's the TGS Trailer...

[Ralz]

That link is no good, but there are some videos on YouTube... for now. Nice to see all the characters are getting new moves.

[Dodie16]

Well, here's a little more info about how the creators are going about selecting which characters will appear in the upcoming game:

Nomura says, in an Dengeki interview, there won’t be Chaos and Cosmos pairs in Dissidia 012[duodecim]: Final Fantasy. Instead, the development team are looking at the Final Fantasy series as a whole for character selection.

Director Takahashi said selecting characters is a dilemma because the team can’t include everyone. He thinks it’s impossible to avoid complainants so he wants to be clear about how he selected characters. Takahashi chose characters that had an their own feel during battle and were popular Final Fantasy fans.

Hmmm. Interesting. Looks like they're not worried about balancing out each side.

Most everything else in the source is stuff we already knew, but here's an interesting quote which may answer Zarg's question about how it's going to be released in Japan so soon after being announced:

Development of Dissidia 012[duodecim]: Final Fantasy started in August 2009, before Dissidia Final Fantasy: Universal Tuning was released.

Source: Chaos? Cosmos? Doesn’t Matter For Dissidia 012[duodecim] Character Selection // Siliconera

[Polk]

Nomura says, in an Dengeki interview, there won’t be Chaos and Cosmos pairs in Dissidia 012[duodecim]: Final Fantasy. Instead, the development team are looking at the Final Fantasy series as a whole for character selection.

Director Takahashi said selecting characters is a dilemma because the team can’t include everyone. He thinks it’s impossible to avoid complainants so he wants to be clear about how he selected characters. Takahashi chose characters that had an their own feel during battle and were popular Final Fantasy fans.

Long story short: Quina gonna eat the shit outta people.

I swear to god I will be so psyched if that actually happens.

[Ralz]

DISSIDIA 012[duodecim] FINAL FANTASY coming to North America, name intact | Joystiq

Just came across this. Maybe its true, maybe not. I didn't have enough time to review the finer details. Looks like we're not only getting the game, but also we're keeping the wierdo name. I have to agree with the article. How can we approach to register asking for such a confusing title?

EDIT: Last thing I can do tonight. Obviously skeptical picture of "characters to be in duodecim." Take the article's advice and a grain of salt. Still, we can look on and dream of what could have been/will one day be, right?

http://www.qj.net/qjnet/psp/leaked-i...haracters.html

[Dodie16]

EDIT: Last thing I can do tonight. Obviously skeptical picture of "characters to be in duodecim." Take the article's advice and a grain of salt. Still, we can look on and dream of what could have been/will one day be, right?

Leaked image reveals Dissidia Duodecim characters?

ZantetsukeN already linked that pic earlier in the thread.

[Heartless Angel]

I don't see how the title is confusing. It's fairly straightforward o.O
I for one am actually glad they were more creative than "Dissidia Final Fantasy 2".

Also, I'm becoming impatient now already. I've started making runs through Inward Chaos just to practice up so I can go a rampage when it finally comes out. Gonna piss me off if I find out they nerfed my characters like they do in every other fighting game sequel <.<

[Ralz]

ZantetsukeN already linked that pic earlier in the thread.

Whoops. Guess it WAS pretty late last night. Er... two nights ago.

Gonna piss me off if I find out they nerfed my characters like they do in every other fighting game sequel <.<

At least we get some new moves. Although I can see why they would reduce their power. You could dominate every match with Zidane or Exdeath if you mastered them. Onion Brat and his clever evilness.

[T.G. Oskar]

Gonna piss me off if I find out they nerfed my characters like they do in every other fighting game sequel <.<

At least we get some new moves. Although I can see why they would reduce their power. You could dominate every match with Zidane or Exdeath if you mastered them. Onion Brat and his clever evilness.

Um...that's more than expected. Both of them. Otherwise, it would be unfair. On both sides.

Erm...lemme explain. Fighting games are one of the first in establishing the concept of "tiers", in which one character has skills and abilities that in the hands of a skilled user will usually dominate over the skills and abilities of another character played by (theoretically) an equally skilled user. Usually, those on the bottom tier have few worthwhile abilities and a very skilled person can dominate a lesser skilled person using a character of a higher tier, but it requires more training. As you increase tiers, the ways to attack, counteract, lock, juggle and combo enabling become much more effective, even if they're actually difficult to use (hence, why a skilled user, since otherwise the character won't go to its full potential). This isn't intentional on a fighting game, but it is something that competitive gamers will eventually figure out and post, given that having enough time, someone else will figure it out and perhaps claim mastery only because it uses a top-tier character. This is easier to determine on games that show off a new system, as the mechanics are not entirely defined. It may not be intentional on the part of the developers, but every system will eventually be dissected into its "useful" parts and its "useless" parts, with everything in between, even on MMOs: you have various skills, abilities, talents or enhancements, but most people instinctively will get the combinations that will result in the best character for a specific build, be it DPS or tanking or buffing or crowd control (the four usual roles). Thus, in the name of "balance", when a developer gets feedback from players who spend days and weeks and months playing the game with a specific character (specifically on tiering and videos showing up the impressive combos), they start changing the characters; i.e., nerfing or buffing.

Nerfing is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, you may get a balancing of tiers, in which people like Zidane and Exdeath are probably made easier to use but their key abilities are not so powerful or cheesy as before. Harder characters are made easier to play, powerful characters are beaten with the nerfstick and weaker characters are made a bit stronger by buffing their moves or adding new ones that complement their fighting style. However, that's a blind shot: perhaps what the devs thought as fun and buffing on a character ends up as the new insta-win trick by the competitive gamers, raising a character several tiers. On the other hand, the devs may not get what is wrong with the top tier character, remove or change a very specific move, and make the character useless because it was a one-trick pony. Finally, perhaps the gamers play the character the way it wasn't intended, and the devs change the moves so that the character is played as intended; this can serve as a buff or as a nerf, but it eventually ends...

Gonna piss me off if I find out they nerfed my characters like they do in every other fighting game sequel <.<

...in Heartless' reply. People get so used with characters that they suffer when their favored playstyle gets nerfed or removed. This may also happen with other people, who believe that only THEIR characters get nerfed or attacked. Intrinsically, this will happen to those who gravitate towards the characters who are the easiest to play while delivering the greatest results, given that those are usually the top-tier characters. See it not as unfair nerfing, but as an attempt towards fair nerfing; I doubt that all of your characters are nerfed to the extent that they become unplayable, but instead they require some retuning to get the new moves and combos. In fact, what people may see as a nerf may become a stealth buff, as it unlocks an entirely new playstyle which may be worse than before. So yeah, expect your character to be seen, analyzed, and possibly "nerfed"; however, you may not be realizing that perhaps the devs ignored something that people will eventually find as stronger as their original intent. Stuff like that happens, especially on characters which are traditionally bottom tier but that for some weird and odd reason get a single ability that makes them top-tier.

As for Ralz: perhaps it may be your conception, consider that carefully. Perhaps you believe Exdeath and Zidane have unfair moves (I can't say that for sure, not a fan of fighting games) but perhaps they won't be touched as they may actually be on the middle tiers, perhaps top-middle tier, which are usually between the characters that won't be either severely nerfed by the nerfstick or buffed (by the buffstaff?). But yeah, perhaps they'll get one or two moves that merely "refresh" (as in, they add a new ability but the net result ends up in zero change) the character, maybe attracting those who may have shunned their character because X move or Y trait became absent. So yeah, it's expected that they'll get new moves, and it will be unfair if they remain largely untouched, but that doesn't mean that the devs will actually work those that may cause you problems, if only because perhaps the difference in skill applies. That can make a world of difference.

...Preachy, I know, but it's a good way to see it.

[Heartless Angel]

I don't run the low tier move spam crap, I usually run God tier or close to it. Which of course means every sequel removes half of what elevated an otherwise balanced character to said tier, leaving me to either play as a crappy mid tier character, or find a new one that's been boosted to God, in short, my character gets nerfed so I have to learn a new one. I understand WHY they do it, but it doesn't mean I have to like it <.<

[SuperSabin]

I dunno why, but my interest in this sequel is fading away. I think I'll pass on this title. I feel this game will just be all of the same as the first one, nothing entirely new and same fighting style which is ok but when fighting games span out sequels the formula dies out.

In conclusion, this ones a no go for my preference.

[loaf]

They just need to put Gilgamesh in it as well as Blank and the game will be good.

[FFTheBest]

Just a montage of 100 screenshots released on Dissidia 012 Duodecim: Final Fantasy.

Apparently, there's going to be from 4-10 newly added characters. We've already got 3 confirmed, Lightning, Kain and Tifa. I wonder who else?

[Angel of Iniquity]

The only things I would like to see are... more characters and better limits...
Like I said another post, squalls limit sux... Screw clouds overpowered omnislash compared to squalls lionheart inwhich in the game, almost does 9999 all the time... Characters I want to see are...

FF1- I don't really think they can, unless they name the white mage...o.o
FF2- Minwu would be cool
FF3- Refia maybe?
FF4- Kain(confirmed so),and maybe fusuya
FF5- Galuf or Faris
FF6- Celes or sabin, but I think lockes in it
FF7- Vincent...
FF8- Laguna or Seifer
FF9- I don't care...
FF10- Auron!!!!!
FF11- maybe dark lord?
FF12- Vaan and Vayne.
FF13 Lightning and... cid?

[ZantetsukeN]

Just watched the trailer over on the Squeenix website, and I am so looking foward to this now! Obviously, Tifa, Lightning and Kain are confirmed, and all the old characters are back.
I was having a good long think about who else I would like to be in it be in it, and I have come up with this. I am thinking they pick one more from each.
FFI: Black Mage (just call him 'Black Mage')
FFII: Minwu
FFIII: Refia, but do what they did with Luneth and name her after a job (not sure what though)
FFIV: Kain (already confirmed)
FFV: Galuf
FFVI: Locke
FFVII: Tifa (already confirmed)
FFVIII: Seifer
FFIX: Freya (please, please make this happen)
FFX: Seymour
FFXI: (don't know, don't play it)
FXII: Basch
FXIII: Lightning (already confirmed)

[Dodie16]

Pretty sure that the developers stated that not all the FF games are going to have a new playable character. Also, there's strong rumors that Vaan will be in the game as a representative for XII, though I still have hopes for Basch...and also Auron. He seems like he's a fan favorite, so there's quite a good chance that he'll make it in, though I'm still thinking that Yuna could just as easily take that spot.

Eh... I suppose it's all just speculation until there's official word.

[Angel of Iniquity]

Yea, I think Vayne should take gabranth spot...

[Heartless Angel]

Not gonna happen though Odin, all original characters set to return. Which is good, Gabranth is fun to play. Vayne was pretty lame IMO, but then that's the way I felt about most of XII's cast. Outside o being fun to play in Dissidia, I don't much care for Gabranth etiher, though he had his badass moments. Basch would be a better choice for character interaction there, but who knows where they're going to take this game.

[Angel of Iniquity]

Yea, that's not fair...o.o

I hate almost everything about FF12's characters but I was thinking that vaynes undying form would be awesome

Also it would be cool if some people have 2 ex-mode forms...

I really am just thinking about a PS3 release instead I gues...>.>


Screw the PSP, I broke mine... now I have to get another for this game...

[ZantetsukeN]

Well, I'm not really bothered who else is in it, as long as Freya is

I would like to see Vayne in the game, because he is a great villain. However, if they do put Vayne in, that will be 2 FFXII villains. Basch would make more sense than Vaan, because his obvious ties with Gabranth.

My list was more of a fantasy list. To be honest, I can't see the early FFs being represented by a third character (I, II and III that is, unless I am missing something and they already plan to), but I think one new character from each would be a good way to go. It's more of a logical format.

Either way I am well excited about this game.

[Heartless Angel]

Freya, as much as I'd have to say she was the cooles tparty member in IX, I can't see them putting in, just because tehy already gave us Kain as a Dragoon. They may make it work, but it just seems like they wouldn't put two new characters who sound like they'd play so similarly in. Sadly, I could see Quina appearing.

They said they werent so much conerned with keeping both sides equally represented in Duodecim, at least that's what I've heard.

I'd expect early games to get more Chaos representation than Cosmos, since the protagonists usually weren't very deep until around IV.

[Rhaps]

Ok got some news ad photos from Squeenix on Facebook
Tifa is in Duodecim
New battle system
Three way battles as well



I'm excited and disappointed at the same time. Games may get more people due to popularity (Cloud is back as well, plus Sephiroth) which seems a bit unfair. But graphics look beautiful, and the new system of 3ways(LOL) and whatever those Orange Bars are, and "Chance" (I'll post pictures if needed) seem like they could be fun additions to the already good system.

[Angel of Iniquity]

Thoses aren't 3-way battles...>.>
They are help thingies, like assistance...
*laughs at your impudence*
JK

But really, there are no 3 ways

[Rhaps]

I see. Orange arrow fills up, you may call a CPU to stand in and fight for you, like a hyper-advanced Summon System, which is also still there, which could lead to some major game changers

[ZantetsukeN]

Freya, as much as I'd have to say she was the cooles tparty member in IX, I can't see them putting in, just because tehy already gave us Kain as a Dragoon. They may make it work, but it just seems like they wouldn't put two new characters who sound like they'd play so similarly in. Sadly, I could see Quina appearing.

They said they werent so much conerned with keeping both sides equally represented in Duodecim, at least that's what I've heard.

I'd expect early games to get more Chaos representation than Cosmos, since the protagonists usually weren't very deep until around IV.

I can dream can't I?
Realistically, I can't see her being in it. Which is a shame, because I would rather have her in than Kain. Freya would probably play almost exactly like Kain.
Personally, apart from Freya, I'd like to see Vivi in the game. It would be nice to see more characters that attack purely with magic, which would probably be the way they would go with him.

[T.G. Oskar]

I'd say that they should add Leon(hart) to the game. It plays a very similar theme and an unusual shuffle between Cecil, Kain and him. For example: both Kain and him were partly villains, the former via manipulation and the latter via brainwashing; meanwhile, both Cecil and Leon were Dark Knights, but Leon would be a purer Dark Knight and would allow Cecil's playstyle to be a bit more on the Paladin side. Now, how would Leon fit in the EX System, that would be a bit of a gamble but I'm sure that in his battles or somewhere aside there must be a way to grant him EX Powers (maybe when he declares himself Emperor, that could become his EX Mode?)

SPOILER!!:

Also, correct me if I'm wrong (and I'm probably wrong on this one), but didn't Leon kill Ricard, or had a hand in that matter? That would place Leon and Kain as nemesis of each other, one torn between saving a Dark Knight and having revenge for the death of his father (though obviously that wouldn't be the case), while the other would perhaps be pushed to finish his job (or maybe act like a Golbez to Kain, protecting the son of someone who was much like the man he killed/saw die?)

[Angel of Iniquity]

Spoiler?

Nope, Leon didn't kill Ricard. Ricard gave himself up in the castle where you first beat Palemecia, not pandemonium

And yes, I was thinking the same. Same with seifer, though i'm almost sure Seifer is in it hahaha.

[Dodie16]

Well, it's official now. Vaan is the latest character to join the playable cast in the new Dissidia game.

Confirming rumor after rumor, Shonen Jump announced Vaan from Final Fantasy XII is 100% in Dissidia 012[duodecim]: Final Fantasy.

Vaan enters the fray with a diverse set of weapons and an ever-changing fighting style. His uses a Mist Knack as an EX Burst, but Jump doesn’t say which one.

Source: Vaan Mist Knacks His Way Into Dissidia 012[duodecim]: Final Fantasy // Siliconera

Aaaaand here's a link to the full scan, since Silconera looks like it is only showing half: http://nsm04.casimages.com/img/2010/...7857088896.jpg

EDIT:: There's now a full scan showing what one of Vaan's alternate costumes is going to look like, spoiler tagged for size:

SPOILER!!:

[bahamuts heir]

So dodie vaan is just a firion redo?

[Dodie16]

Now that I think about it, yeah, it sounds like he is.