You!,,, again?!
If you say so, though I'm not sure if I could keep up with your suden change of mood if this were to continue.
Who's losing their cool? ;-) I'm perfectly content.
No one's forcing you to know every litle bit about Final Fantasy VII, though considering that you hold Final Fantasy VII in high regards to know esential parts of main story wouldn't be bad either. I'm not trying to change your opinion regarding Final Fantasy VII, my questions were result of my curios nature, and nothing more, though your freakout and two completely diferent responses on same issue were amusing to say the least. You spend your time as you see fit, I'm sure your wife is proud to see her man going from one meaningless disccusion to another, and loosing his cool while he's at it. Don't have a picture to leave a comment, but I'm sure you look lovely, have a great time in Vegas & Chicago, hope the matches end up being interesting, same as the ones I'll be watching, though in my case it's football, nothing fancy as Vegas though I'm bound to have fun in Croatia at Adriatic sea. Either way enjoy.
"Not Discussed" Exactly so shut it, and,,, Oooooooooooooh you caught everything on your first playthough. WOW, I'm like really impressed now. Geeeeeee what will I do without knowing every little thing about this game that I haven't played in years. Ahhhhh the headaches are commencing,, what shall I DO?!?!? LOLOLOL. Listen G-Money, stop being so defensive, and quit wasting your breath justifying it. I'm sorry that you love 9 so much that you've got this need to try and drag down my impressions of 7 (THE BETTER GAME), but believe me when I say that I'm laughing at you. Your attempts are far more pathetic than my simple campaign against it, because I at least genuinely don't find the game appealing,,,, and you what? genuinely obsess over my opinion? Good for you. You keep that up, and I'll keep spending my time on trips to vegas & chicago, NBA season tickets, and my hot wife who would join me in mocking your adolescent goatee.
It's not discussed, but it's strongly implied. It's due to Sephiroth that Jenova was able to escape, thanks to Jenova cells Sephiroth had control over her, thus she could do his biding. Jenova is able to mimic persons appearance, which is stated in her first encounter with Cetra, Sephiroth went with his own appearance so Cloud may know who's truly behind the curtains, to evoke even more confusion, and anger on Cloud's part. Despite common believe it was actually Jenova who killed Aerith. This is kind of answer I expect from a guy who claims to be familiar with events of Final Fantasy VII, even more since it's a huge, and important part of Final Fantasy VII, one of the few things that were actually rather well explained. I have yet to replay Final Fantasy VII, and it's been couple of years since my first playthrough, keep in mind that I'm far from huge fan of Final Fantasy VII, though even I knew answer to this. I for once noticed all of those issues on my first, and only playthrough. It's actually hard to miss flawed, easily exploited, battle system, overpowered limit breaks, again easily exploited due to formentioned battle system , huge amount of bugs, and glitches, rather bad translation, story that in quite a few instances doesn't make sense, so much that even fans themselves can't get their facts straight, obvious resemblance to many aspects of Final Fantasy VI...Now when I think about it, I'm not the only one. As you have probably noticed, there are huge amount of players who don't see appeal in Final Fantasy VII, due to the very same flaws you claim to be barely noticeable.
Ok but it's not discussed in FF7's original game that Sepheroth is immortal, so again,,, I'm not concerned. Hummmm,, how did Jenova escape with a mutilated body? I'm not sure what you're getting at here, but as I recall, and mind you I haven't studied the matter in the 5 years or more since I've touched the game, as I'm not an uber geek who plays every game annually, but the remains of Jenova were frozen in ice in the north and preserved that way. Sooooo what is your question about that exactly? Seems pretty straight forward. And no, again you missed the point. My views did not change with my favorite game. I'm not ignoring the facts you present, I'm merely stating that they aren't apparent in 7. It feels like a fleshed out and complete work, whereas 9 feels like there was very little time spent enhancing the game with enjoyable side quests, meaningful FMV's, or easily identifyable and significant references to the series. Instead there were trivial and tedious side quests, short and irrelevant FMV's, and typically extremely vague or obscure references, none of which really mattered to the story. PS - I like the little sparse "I just started shaving yesterday" goatee you've got going on there.
I'm glad this amuses you, for a moment there I though you were upset. You treat Aerith's resurrection as it was the only outcome of rushed process, how naive, as mentioned in one of my earlier posts it was just a prime example. Nothing, not even a theory? It's one of the most discussed matters in Final Fantasy VII's universe, if you look at it, all facts indicate that Sephiroth achieved immortality during the main events of Final Fantasy VII, that would be your category now, though you wouldn't know thing about it, would you. How bout an easier one, how did Jenova manged to escape with her body mutilated, and head chopped of, out of all characters which appearance she took, how, and for what reason? I'm sure you played every one of them without an ounce of bias, it just happens that your view on exact same flaws suddenly changes when they appear in your favorite game, no biggie man, I understand that.
Insults? Coming from Mr. Passive aggressive? Don't play coy. And I'm not upset. I'm amuzed at your perceived success in trolling me. ;-) But your take on why I would accept 7's rushed process and not 9's is fundamentally flawed. You see, whatever they intended to happen with the resurrection angle, it "worked" to have it actualy not happen, and to turn out the way it did. So you're not busting me on being shortsighted like you think that you are. I GET IT,,,, trust me. And with the Sepheroth thing. I've already told you, if it has anything to do with what's mentioned in the sequels or prequels, I really don't care. Those were made later as pure dollers & cents additions for fanboys. I only play the main numbered series, and whatever flaw they created in story logic after that, no matter how valid it may be is something I don't claim to know anything about, nor do I care about. I'll say it again. I've played the whole series unobjectively. 9 was the only game that bored me, and it did so the entire game. I'll repeat. I did not set out playing it with an agenda to knock it, flame you over it, or do anything other than enjoy it. Unfortunately it's just not that great of a game.
Someone's upset. No need for insults, we're adults, and should behave as such. Flaws are good, rushed process, and sloppy traces of such are good as well, as long as it's in your favorite game, though not in others, that's logical...I guess. True, every game, every movie go through last second changes, though in most cases changes are not forced nor do they have huge impact, negative one while I'm at it, on main events of movie, or game if you will, and some, believe it or not, do take care to blend them rather well, which sadly wasn't the case with Final Fantasy VII. I'm sure you're quite familiar with events of Final Fantasy VII, not knowing certain issue doesn't mean a thing, does it. While we're at it, there's one particular thing regarding Final Fantasy VII I don't quite understand, help of fellow Final Fantasy VII fan who claims to be familiar with events of Final Fantasy VII would be much appreciated. At which point did Sephiroth obtained immortality, was immortality main cause for poor decisions such as underestimating the same opponent several time, or was it just something developers came with eight years after original events of Final Fantasy VII to feature Sephiroth in Advent Children?
Mkay,,,,,,, yes,, there is a mysterious evil plan I have for ignoring the facts you have presented. Muah ha ha ha. It is sooooo evil that you wouldn't believe it. You see I had set out with an agenda long ago, to hate everything to do with the number 9. Muah ha ha ha ha ha! It was that damn count on sesame st, always counting to the number 9. I remember it as though it were yesterday. 9 he says, 9. And then that F-ing cookie monster showed up and ate 9 cookies. Ooooooh you can imagine the trama. But 7, the number 7 reminds me of happy memories. A nice round number, and when I saw the 7th cookie cumbling in that blue bastard's face, I said to myself, "You know 7 cookies is really enough, dontcha think?" And I decided that faitfull cookie eating, number counting day, to hate everything to do with the number 9 no matter how great, and to ignore all detriments cast at anything to do with the number 7!!! CAN'T YOU SEE!!!!!!!! My plan is BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!! Listen tard. I'm perfectly familiar with the events of 7, and on a completely unbiased and otherwise enjoyable 1st run at 9, I didn't care for it. It felt unfished the entire way. It felt unispired. It felt anti-climactic. It didn't once excite me as every single other game in the series has! It's not blind. It's bordom!!! Conversely 7 felt glorious, alive, and epic. Flaws and all bring em on, I'm not blind. Good for the flaws! Guess what? Every movie you love that was ever made has 101 versions that were written and last second changes that some members of the crew would determine as either flaws or unfinished little bits. So what? 7 in the end felt complete. 9 felt like they were trying to placate people who pined for castles and feminine main characters. ;-) Enjoy all that. :-)
It's an honor to speak with what seems to be the very first Final Fantasy VII fan who's not familiar with events surrounding Aerith's resurrection. Point? I stated a mere facts out of curiosity, it's another thing entirely you're wiling to keep a blind eye on same flaws you've been particularly critical of. As for why, I can only take a guess.
Aerith's resurection was implied with her brief appearance in the final FMV,,, you know where her face flashed and it was somewhat obvious that she had given her life willingly in able to guide the planets life energy when holy was cast. You've got what answer? LOL,,, that you made some point about 7? If you think I'm simply biased for the sake of it then you're missing the point. Whether 7 had production flaws or omissions isn't really the issue. It's how that came across in the final product. As I said before, I didn't set out to dislike 9, it just gave me no reason not to. That's on the game, not me.
Aerith's resurrection has nothing to do with final FMV, actually, I'm not quite sure why you're mentioning the final FMV in the first place, as her resurrection was not implied with that sequence, being a Final Fantasy VII fan you should know at what I'm pointing at. As for Kefka being a murderous psychopath, that's partially true, he was actually a brilliant murderous psychopath. Kefka was bloody cunning, despite huge handicap he managed to fool both player, and his kingdom, he achieved both goals even though it may be for a short notice. Sephiroth on the other hand had both right from the start, strength, and intelligence, though I'm not sure about later one as he has yet to prove as brilliant tactician. Considering that he was practically invincible, with Jenova under his control, Cloud as well, though it may be for a short notice, lack of serious opposition he accomplished...well, nothing. When it comes to depth, and personality, Sephiroth is miles ahead of Kefka, but he's still a poor villain, and he still shares huge amount of similarities with Kefka, to much I'm afraid. What I'm trying to accomplish? Not much really, out of curiosity, well, more of boredom to be honest, I wanted to see do the same flaws you're eager to point out bother you that much when they're shown in your favorite game, in other words might you overall opinion on Final Fantasy VII change as those flaws clearly bother you in other games, either way I've got my answer. I would also like to thank you for your time, you answered my questions in polite, and honest manner, which I appreciate.
Few interesting facts you should know about Final Fantasy VII. It's probably the worst translated game in franchise, barely beaten by Tactics. It has a serious number of bugs, and glitches, entire page on FF wiki, some walkthroughs are dedicated to formentioned issues. Materia system, while fun, is easily exploited, in other words flawed, making that little bit of difficulty obsolete. Care was not taken to preserve the original story of Final Fantasy VII while releasing Crisis Core, the official prequel, and Advent Children, the official sequel, in other words more flaws regarding the events in universe of Final Fantasy VII have appeared, prime example would be Shinra, and their view on promised land. Main events of Final Fantasy VII indicate that Final Fantasy VII was actually rushed, later confirmed by developers themselves. The game was left with quite a few questions, Aerith death, and resurrection as a part of rushed process, even somewhat clear parts are still discussed, Cloud beating Sephiroth makes less sense than Zidane beating Kuja. The main villain was but a mere copy of Kefka, final battle with Sephiroth was already seen in Final Fantasy VI, even some of the moves, and appearance were copied, which is stated and can be read on FF wiki as well, their relationship to their superior, even betrayel was the same, both went through various experiments, both were generals, and I could go on...even the love triangle was already seen in Final Fantasy VI. Not to mention the poor try to tie it down with X-2, not by fans themselves, but Square developers, which sadly is still done even though it raises more questions than answers. This my friend is what I call a sloppy, and rushed game, needless to say this was not based on a mere feeling. Having this in mind, should I respond to every claim of Final Fantasy VII being the very best game? Final Fantasy VII is called the very best game in franchise, seeing as it has ton of flaws, something you're particularly critical of, by your own logic I honestly don't see any reason, foundations for such title.
